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Dominion
It was never meant to be easy, this business of exercising dominion. When God blessed the first humans, he gave them the power to fill the earth and to subdue it. Yes, subdue it, like the sons of Manasseh were to subdue the land across the Jordan (Num 32:22), like the children of Israel subdued the promised land (Josh 18:1), like Ahasuerus thought that Haman had tried to subdue Esther (Esth 7:8). To subdue a thing (kavash) is to tread it down, to dominate it, and to bring it into subjection (BDB, sv).
When God created the heavens and the earth, they were formless and empty (Gen 1:1–2). There was order, but it was a relatively lower level of order. Throughout creation week, God brought His world into higher and higher levels of order, and that was good. Nevertheless, the full ordering of the world was not complete at the end of Day Six. God did not finish ordering the world Himself. Instead, He committed that task to the godlike creatures whom He had made for the purpose—human beings.
Humans were made to rule the world. They were made to take dominion. To exercise that dominion, they would have to wrestle the created world into higher levels of order. They would have to subdue it. We were made to rule. We were made to dominate and subdue, and our world was made to be dominated.
Tragically, the work of exercising dominion was subverted by sin. The presence of sin in the world has at least two effects. First, sin has corrupted both our thinking and feeling. We now perceive it as good and right to dominate the created order—including other people—in predatory ways. Second, the order of creation itself has been distorted. God chose not to leave fallen humans in an untouched environment. Now the ground brings forth thorns and thistles. Scarcity has become part of life, which means that acquiring daily food has become a labor. Animals kill each other, and they kill humans, too. We experience fires, floods, earthquakes, storms, and other natural disasters. More than ever, we need to bring order to the world, but the degree of required effort has increased exponentially.
We can make two great mistakes in our present situation. The first mistake is the preservationist mistake: the belief that the best approach to the created order is to leave it alone. On this view, people treat the created world best when they affect it the least. The summum bonum would be to let the world function with minimal human interference. Indeed, some versions of this theory see humanity as a disease upon the planet, and a few of them are only too ready to see the human race eradicated.
The preservationist view tends to ally itself with religions that deify nature. Various forms of animism, shamanism, and pantheism feed this theory, and its adherents are quite prepared to impose their religion upon the rest of us. This view is also reinforced by an evolutionary theory that believes the earth evolved into higher levels of order without human interference.
The problem with preservationism is that God’s original blessing and purpose have never been revoked. Left to itself, the earth will never function optimally. It was made to be governed and shaped by humans, and without human domination it will always display a chaotic element—the more so since sin entered the world.
Part of human dominion involves challenging the results of the Fall. It is good and right to subdue illness-causing viruses and bacteria. It is right to control flooding, till the soil, and otherwise harness natural resources. Sometimes it is even right for humans to displace parts of the created order, including other created beings. Not long ago a creature existed that caused smallpox; when we drove that creature into extinction, we did a good thing.
Preservationism is a serious error, and one that will work against human flourishing. But the opposite error is just as serious. It is predation, and it occurs when humans exploit the created world without any intention of increasing its good and its order. Sometimes predation is purely destructive. Sometimes it arises from ignorance. Sometimes it comes from negligence in cleaning up our messes.
Within living memory both bald eagles and wild turkeys hovered on the brink of extinction. During the 1960s Lake Erie was widely regarded as a dead lake. In 1969 the Cuyahoga River caught fire. These were emblems of a civilization whose industrial capacity had outstripped its willingness to clean up after itself.
Preservationism and predation both share the same core problem. They fail to recognize the vital role that human domination plays in developing the created order. God never made a world that could function without human supervision, without humans acting within creation to bring it to higher levels of completeness and order.
As a human, you were made to exercise dominion. You were made to subdue the earth. You should start now, with whatever part of the earth you control. If all you control is your own body, then learn to bathe and brush your teeth. If you control a bedroom, then make your bed and pick up your clothes. Take dominion over your schedule and get up on time in the morning. Subdue your workspace and clean up your own messes. Exercise dominion over your relationships so that you show both justice and charity to parents, siblings, children, neighbors, and strangers. Subdue your work habits so that you give your employer an honest day’s work for a day’s pay. Exercise dominion over your finances and spending choices so that you not only live within your means, but so that you are able to about toward those who experience need. In all departments of life, avoid both the laissez-faire of preservationism and the inclination toward predation that comes from just wanting to be served. You can offer no workable solutions for the big problems of scarcity, oppression, inequity, and injustice in the world if you cannot first address these smaller problems within your own personal world.
This essay is by Kevin T. Bauder, Research Professor of Historical and Systematic Theology at Central Baptist Theological Seminary. Not every one of the professors, students, or alumni of Central Seminary necessarily agrees with every opinion that it expresses.
At the Name of Jesus
Caroline M. Noel (1817–1877)
At the name of Jesus ev’ry knee shall bow,
ev’ry tongue confess him King of Glory now.
‘Tis the Father’s pleasure we should call him Lord,
who from the beginning was the mighty Word.
At his voice creation sprang at once to sight,
all the angel faces, all the hosts of light,
thrones and dominations, stars upon their way,
all the heav’nly orders in their great array.
Humbled for a season to receive a name
from the lips of sinners unto whom he came,
faithfully he bore it spotless to the last,
brought it back victorious, when from death he passed.
In your hearts enthrone him; there let him subdue
all that is not holy, all that is not true:
crown him as your Captain in temptation’s hour:
let his will enfold you in its light and pow’r.
Brothers, this Lord Jesus shall return again,
with his Father’s glory, with his angel train;
for all wreaths of empire meet upon his brow,
and our hearts confess him King of glory now.
That Dog Won’t Hunt
Kristi Noem, the governor of South Dakota, recently stirred up controversy when she admitted in print to shooting an unmanageable dog. The story is in her new book, No Going Back: The Truth on What’s Wrong with Politics and How We Move America Forward (Center Street). It is one of multiple stories that involve Noem killing farm animals.
Predictably, the story provoked hysteria from liberal pundits. What Noem probably could not have guessed, however, was how harshly leading conservative figures would judge her. Writers at National Review have singled her out for repeated excoriation. The incident puts a serious cloud over her aspirations to become Donald Trump’s pick for Vice President.
Not that I think she would make a good selection. Noem is the Republican governor who vetoed a bill that would have kept biological males from participating in women’s sports. People who believe in protecting actual women and girls find this veto incredible, and that is an issue of substance.
What is not a substantial issue is Governor Noem shooting the dog. The canine in question was a 14-month-old wirehair that had been raised for hunting. According to Noem, the dog not only wouldn’t point game, but actually disrupted the hunt. Furthermore, it attacked and killed a neighbor’s chickens. When Noem attempted to restrain the dog, it turned on her and tried to bite her. Subsequently, Noem took the dog to a gravel pit and killed it.
Several observations should be offered here. First, many of Noem’s critics are castigating her for shooting a “puppy.” In certain respects, a 14-month-old dog is still juvenile, but it has substantially reached its adult strength and stature. To call this dog a puppy is the equivalent of calling an armed 17-year-old gangster a child. The emotional content of the word does not match the reality of the case.
Indeed, this case is about emotion versus reality, and misplaced emotion at that. People are not wrong to love dogs and other animals. Quite the contrary, there is a proper degree and kind of love for everything that God has made, as there is for God Himself. The problem arises when people begin to love things to an improper degree—either more or less than God loves them—or with a wrong love. The result of a wrong love is either brutality, which occurs when we love a thing too little or too coarsely, or sentimentalism, which occurs when we love a thing too much or too sweetly.
An example of brutality occurs in individuals who abuse animals and do not care about their pain. An example of sentimentality occurs in individuals who anthropomorphize animals, treating them as if they had human value. A century or so ago, brutality to animals may have been the more common problem. Now sentimentality clearly is.
Typically, sentimentality in one area leads to a corresponding brutality in another. For example, a civilization (if it can be called that) might grow indignant at the swift and painless killing of beasts but defend as unalienably right the butchery of partially-born infants. Predictably, when animals are elevated to near-human status, certain human beings will be demoted to the bestial.
I suggest that the reaction against the killing of Kristi Noem’s dog is sentimentalism run amok. Furthermore, I suspect that the hue and cry against Noem has been raised by people who have little experience of rural life. In farm country, animals are not usually pets. They are property. Often, they are tools. Dogs in particular are tools, used for hunting, herding, and guarding.
Treating animals as tools is unquestionably moral. God Himself killed animals to acquire their skins. He gave animals to humans as food after the Flood. He required the blood of animals in sacrifice. Jesus recognized the right of humans to own and control animals when he prepared to ride the donkey’s colt into Jerusalem—which was itself a use of an animal as a tool.
Kristi Noem’s dog proved to be a severely defective tool. It would not perform the task for which it was intended. Furthermore, it became destructive, not only to Noem but to others as well. When a dog in farm country starts to kill stock, there can be only one outcome. The dog is never going to stop on its own. If that dog turns vicious with its master, then it becomes a threat to be eliminated.
The task of humans is not to preserve the natural order but to improve it. To do that, they need tools. Sometimes they make tools out of inanimate materials. Other times they use animals as tools. In either case, the tool must perform or it will be scrapped.
What Kristi Noem did is an aspect of human dominion within the natural world. She eliminated a threat to her neighbor’s property and to her own personal safety. Might she have found an alternative way to deal with the problem? That is only an important question for those who have already anthropomorphized animals. Every imaginable alternative would have been more costly and time-consuming. The alternative that she pursued was cheap, painless, quick, and effective. To argue otherwise is to commit oneself to an untoward sentimentalism.
This essay is by Kevin T. Bauder, Research Professor of Historical and Systematic Theology at Central Baptist Theological Seminary. Not every one of the professors, students, or alumni of Central Seminary necessarily agrees with every opinion that it expresses.
Lord, What Was Man
Isaac Watts (1674–1748)
Lord, what was man when made at first,
Adam the offspring of the dust,
That thou should’st set him and his race
But just below an angel’s place?
That thou should’st raise his nature so,
And make him lord of all below;
Make every beast and bird submit,
And lay the fishes at his feet?
But, O, what brighter glories wait
To crown the second Adam’s state!
What honours shall thy Son adorn,
Who condescended to be born!
See him below his angels made,
See him in dust amongst the dead,
To save a ruin’d world from sin;
But he shall reign with power divine.
The world to come, redeem’d from all
The miseries that attend the fall,
New-made, and glorious, shall submit
At our exalted Saviour’s feet.
2024 Commencement
Central Baptist Theological Seminary of Minneapolis held its 68th Commencement on the evening of Friday, May 10, in the auditorium of Fourth Baptist Church. Area pastor and long-time faculty and board member Dr. Lee Ormiston was our commencement speaker and shared a challenge to our graduates from Romans 8.
Graduation Pictures
Graduation Video
Diplomas were conferred for the Master of Arts in Biblical Counseling, Master of Arts in Theology, Master of Divinity, and Doctor of Ministry degrees.
The Word and the Testimony
by Dr. Richard V. Clearwaters
Founder of Central Seminary
Isaiah 8:20
To the Law and Testimony
Ever shall be Central’s song;
For within these sacred pages
We have found the Father’s Son.
Of our service He is worthy,
For His form we plainly see,
In the pages of the Volume
Daily witnessed there for me.
Words there great and oh so precious,
Ever speaking loud and clear
To lost sinners, poor and needy,
By God’s nature, now drawn near.
For the hunger that He gives us,
By this Self of His within;
We are pure in daily living,
Through the power He gives to men.
In the world and no part of it,
We will shun its sin and lust;
For the Savior’s image charms us
Through the Book, for us to trust.
In the highways and the byways,
In the halls with noise and din;
Here at “Central” He is central,
Like the Book that brings us Him.
Remembering Chaplain (Capt.) Dale Goetz
Links to articles remembering U.S. Army Chaplain (Captain) Dale Goetz.
In the Nick of Time, “Honor to Whom Honor is Due” – by Kevin Bauder, July 23, 2021
Dale had a reputation as a soldier’s chaplain. The story is that the troops called him the “chaplain with dirty boots” because of the time he spent in active ministry. His goal was to lead three hundred soldiers to Christ and to see ten of them go into ministry. Dale also longed to see Muslims saved. He regularly prayed for them (he even prayed for the salvation of Osama Bin Laden), and he shared the gospel with insurgents.
“Chaplains don’t sit around the big bases waiting for soldiers to come to them,” said Chaplain Carleton Birch, a lieutenant colonel with the Office of the Chief of Chaplains. “They go out to where the soldiers are.”
It is an article of faith among the small community of military chaplains that the job provides great rewards and blessings — but also sorrow, sacrifice and loss.
Maj. Gen. Douglas Carver, the Army’s Chief of Chaplains, in announcing the death of Chaplain Goetz, said of him, “Dale was a selfless servant of God, a devoted husband and father, a strong American patriot, and a compassionate spiritual leader whose love for Soldiers was only surpassed by his firm commitment to living his calling as a United States Army Chaplain.” Lt. Col. Chet Chapman (U. S. Army RET), head of the ACCC’s chaplains’ endorsing agency, has written of Chaplain Goetz that “he served our country faithfully as soldier, pastor and soul winner through eight years of military assignments.”
U.S. Army Chaplain Corps, Facebook Post
Goetz was serving as the battalion chaplain for the 1st Battalion, 66th Armor Regiment,1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division. The dining facility at Forward Operating Base Walton was quietly and informally dedicated to him after his death, marked by a small sign. Goetz was known to spend much of his time in the dining facility while deployed, getting to know his Soldiers, building relationships and interacting with them. In May 2013, the dining facility was formally dedicated to Goetz, who was “a dirty boots chaplain; he liked to get out there and be with the Soldiers,“ as CH ( LTC) Gregory Walker, 3rd Infantry Division and Regional Command-South chaplain said about him.
U.S. Army: “Dining facility commemorates fallen chaplain” by Staff Sgt. Kristen Duus – June 7, 2013
“It’s a great opportunity to memorialize him so Soldiers and other service members and civilians who go through can see what he’s done and the kind of life he’s lived,” said Chaplain (Lt. Col.) Gregory Walker, 3rd Infantry Division and Regional Command-South chaplain. “He was a dirty boots chaplain; he liked to get out there and be with the Soldiers.”
“We took the opportunity as close to Memorial Day as we could to honor his life, his service and his sacrifice, as well as remember and honor our heroes who have fallen,” concluded Irwin. “His ministry and his impact are not forgotten.”
Farewell to the Fallen: Dale A. Goetz by the Oregonian
“He had always wanted to minister,” classmate Scott Ashby said. “He had a dedication to God and country.”
As much as you comfort us who have gathered here today, we pray that in an even greater measure you will comfort Dale’s family, especially his wife Christy and their three sons Landon, Caleb and Joel. Be for them all that they need you to be just now and continue to provide for them in every way in the days, weeks, months and years ahead that they face life without their husband, father and son.
Central Seminary has a proud history of graduates faithfully serving our Lord as chaplains. The Dale Goetz memorial scholarship reflects our commitment to continue his legacy.
Please join us in remembering Dale’s sacrifice by praying for his family and asking God to call more men to train for chaplain ministry.
Pro Deo et Patria (“For God and Country” – military chaplain’s motto)
It’s Time To Live It
Among the books that I was reading last week was Peter Sammons’s volume on Reprobation and God’s Sovereignty. Perhaps I should say that if reprobation is understood as symmetrical with election—i.e., that God elects and then creates some individuals simply to condemn them forever—then I do not judge it to be true. Nevertheless, I found benefit in reading Sammons. One particularly challenging point is that we cannot accept the benefits of Providence when it brings obvious blessing into our lives while complaining about our circumstances when things seem to go wrong (Job 2:10). Directly or indirectly, even the evil that happens in the world is ordained by God for good ends. If we really believe Romans 8:28, then we must see God’s hand in the worst of calamities.
The week I spent reading the book was rather arduous in other ways. It was finals week at the seminary, a time for grading papers, administering exams, closing out courses, preparing for board meetings, and of course observing commencement. The week was made more difficult than usual because our administration had to lop a day out of the schedule (no fault of theirs). Instead of graduating our students on Saturday morning as we always have, we graduated them on Friday night.
Further complications came from the pastoral side of my life. Our deacons had to meet after church on Wednesday night to address a family emergency. Another member of our fellowship had a mother who was dying, and she passed away on Friday morning. Combined with the seminary’s schedule, these and other factors resulted in a pressured week of late nights, early mornings, and little sleep. I was looking forward to resting on Saturday.
Both Debbie and I had responsibilities after the commencement ceremony. She was responsible to check in the rented and borrowed caps, hoods, and gowns. Consequently, we didn’t pull in the driveway until around 10:00 PM. Given the tension of the week, I lay awake for a long time on Friday night.
Saturday had the potential to be a much more relaxed day, though the situations from church were still pressing. Debbie was preparing a late breakfast at around 8:00 when she glanced out the window at the driveway. “Where’s the car?” she asked.
I looked out the window then, and sure enough, there was no car. I hadn’t even dressed for the day, but I pulled on jeans and a tee-shirt and walked out to investigate. Where the car had been parked was a pile of shattered glass. The obvious conclusion was that our car had been stolen. I was a bit surprised because I put a locking bar on the steering wheel. Nevertheless, there was the driveway, empty except for the heap of broken glass.
The obvious first step was to call the police. Ten minutes later an officer arrived. He took our information and viewed the pile of glass. He told us that earlier in the morning a stolen car had been recovered in front of our house, where it had been abandoned by thieves. The thieves had apparently just changed cars. “Probably juveniles,” he said, “Ages ten to fourteen. That’s typical. You can hope that they’ll joyride with your car and abandon it where it will be found.” He also told us about occasions when he had arrested the same juveniles three times in stolen cars. They were always put back on the street. “It’s not the police,” he said. “We try to enforce the law. It’s the county that won’t prosecute.”
Well.
After the officer left, I took up the matter with my insurance company. On Saturday morning their regular offices weren’t open, but I was able to call a weekend number to file a claim. The person I spoke with was as helpful as she might have been, but at that stage there was little that she could do except to write up the report.
Next came a quick call to the seminary’s business manager. Fourth Baptist owns a car that it lends out for ministry purposes, and I asked whether I might use it. Instead, the business manager offered to lend me his wife’s car. It helps, I suppose, that the business manager is married to one of my sisters.
Debbie and I still had to travel to the town where I pastor. It was now well past noon, and we hadn’t eaten lunch yet. We stopped to grab something along the way, and we finally reached our ministry home late in the afternoon. We completed several necessary chores, ate a quick supper, and then drove another fifteen miles to visit our bereaved church member.
That may have been the most encouraging part of the day. What we heard from our friend was his complete acceptance of God’s workings in his life. He blessed his mother’s memory. He told us about moments he had relished with her during her final week. He expressed his hope that God would use the situation to reach unsaved members of his family. We had gone to offer him comfort and encouragement, but we received far more than we gave.
That night the police called to tell me that my car had been recovered. The window had been shattered (we knew that). The steering column was torn up. The car had been ransacked and the inside was badly messed around. And it was being taken to an impound lot.
Never had I guessed the Byzantine machinations and labyrinthine procedures that would be necessary to recover a car from impound. These entailed multiple phone calls and multiple stops. Once I had cleared those hurdles, the car was released. Since it is undrivable, however, it will have to be towed to a shop. All those matters are now in the hands of the insurers.
Most people would consider this week to be a bad one, and there is no use denying that the circumstance is a minor calamity. Naturally, Debbie and I comfort ourselves by telling each other how much worse it might have been, and that is a real consideration. We will suffer a financial loss (insurance doesn’t cover everything), but our home is intact and we were not harmed in our persons.
The greatest comfort, however, is this. These calamitous circumstances were ordained by an all-wise and loving God. They were ordained for His glory. They were ordained for our good. God knows what He is doing, even if we do not. He still deserves our adoration, our praise, and particularly our gratitude. God could have protected us from the evil, but He chose not to. We can only trust Him, that what He is doing will be better, and that it will produce greater glory and greater good. So we humble ourselves before Him and accept His dispensation as if He were visibly before us directing events. We have thanked Him in the past when events seemed good to us. Now it is time to thank Him when events seem bad. To Him alone be glory.
This essay is by Kevin T. Bauder, Research Professor of Historical and Systematic Theology at Central Baptist Theological Seminary. Not every one of the professors, students, or alumni of Central Seminary necessarily agrees with every opinion that it expresses.
Commit Thou All Thy Griefs
Paul Gerhardt (1607–1676); tr. John Wesley (1703–1791)
Commit thou all thy griefs
And ways into His hands,
To His sure trust and tender care,
Who earth and heav’n commands;
Who points the clouds their course,
Whom winds and seas obey,
He shall direct thy wand’ring feet,
He shall prepare thy way.
Thou on the Lord rely,
So safe shalt thou go on;
Fix on His work thy stedfast eye,
So shall thy work be done:
No profit canst thou gain
By self-consuming care,
To Him commend thy cause, His ear
Attends the softest pray’r.
Thine everlasting truth,
Father, thy ceaseless love,
Sees all thy children’s wants, and knows
What best for each will prove;
And whatse’er Thou will’st
Thou dost, O King of kings;
What Thine unerring wisdom chose,
Thy pow’r to being brings.
Thou ev’ry where hast sway,
And all things serve Thy might,
Thy ev’ry act pure blessing is,
Thy path unsully’d light:
When Thou arisest, Lord,
What shall Thy work withstand?
When all Thy children want, thou giv’st,
Who, who shall stay Thine hand?
A Complex Event
Sometimes the events of biblical prophecy are relatively simple. The foretold event occurs and the prophecy is fulfilled. From that moment, it slips into the past. Noah prophesies the flood, and it comes. Elijah prophesies a drought, and the rain stops. Micaiah prophesies the death of Ahab, and Ahab is killed. Even where the event takes time, it is a single, simple event.
Other times, the events of biblical prophecy are complex. In this case, complex does not necessarily mean complicated, but rather consisting of multiple parts. The most clearly complex event in biblical prophecy is the coming of the Messiah.
Arguably, the first messianic prophecy is about the seed of the woman who will bruise the serpent’s head (Gen 3:15). Jacob prophesied the coming of “Shiloh” of the line of Judah, from whom the scepter would not depart (Gen 49:10). Balaam foresaw a star coming out of Jacob and a scepter out of Israel, one whom he calls, “He that shall have dominion.”
To these earlier foretellings, the later prophets added much detail. The coming Messiah would be a prophet like Moses (Deut 18:15). He would be a king of David’s line (2 Sam 7:11–16). He would be a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek (Ps 110:1, 4). He would rule the nations with a rod of iron (Ps 2:8–9). He would give His life for the iniquities of His people (Isa 53). Dozens more prophecies foretold the events of Messiah’s birth, life, activities, death, and, according to 1 Corinthians 15:4, even His resurrection.
A new wrinkle was pressed into the messianic timeline by Daniel’s prophecy of the seventy weeks (Dan 9:24–27). With this prophecy it became possible to know the exact year of Messiah’s arrival hundreds of years in advance. What Daniel prophesied, however, was not Messiah’s birth, but most likely His triumphal entry.
This wrinkle leads to the question of what exactly is meant by Messiah’s coming. When should students of the Bible reckon that Messiah has come? At His birth? His baptism? His triumphal entry? Some other event?
In a certain sense, any of several events could be pointed to as the coming of Messiah. Indeed, in the fullest sense, Messiah has not come yet, for He is not yet exercising the fulness of royal sovereignty over the earth through Israel. Perhaps this factor is what Jesus’ disciples had in mind when they asked, “What shall be the sign of thy coming?” (Matt 24:3). Even though Messiah was right in front of them and was even talking with them, He had not yet come in the fulness of His power.
Jesus answers their question in a way that discloses even more about His coming. He refers to it in the future tense. He claims that it will occur only after a series of increasingly severe judgments. When it happens, it will be as unmistakable as the lightning flashing across the sky (Matt 24:27). It will culminate with the sign of the Son of Man in heaven (Matt 24:30). The grammar in that last statement probably includes a genitive of apposition: when the Son of Man appears in the heavens, He will be the sign.
By the end of the Gospels, it is clear that Jesus is going to leave earth and that He will return someday (John 14:1–3). At the beginning of Acts He bodily ascends into heaven (Acts 1:9–10), leaving many messianic prophecies to be fulfilled at His return. In other words, what the Old Testament speaks of as an event (the coming of Messiah) turns out to be a series of events and even a series of comings. Christians now speak without hesitation of Jesus’ first coming, which is past, and His second coming, which is still future. What the Old Testament speaks about as a single thing—the coming of the Messiah—is thus a complex event.
What is true of Jesus’ coming in general is also true of His second coming in particular. The second coming is also a complex event. The prophecies that remain to be fulfilled do not all take place at once. Some are fulfilled when He arrives on earth. Others are fulfilled when He establishes His millennial kingdom. Others will not be fulfilled until the end of the Millennium.
Dispensationalists insist that the coming of Jesus will occur in at least two stages. First, He will come in the air to rapture His Church. These Church saints will then live with Him for seven years in heaven, at which point they will accompany Him when He returns to earth to judge His enemies and establish His millennial kingdom. The coming in the air and the coming to earth are not really two separate comings, but two stages of the same second coming, which is a complex event.
That is why dispensationalists learn to be careful in the way they speak about the second coming. When they talk about this event, they may mean Jesus’ coming in the air at the Rapture or they may mean Jesus’ descent to earth to establish His kingdom. Sometimes they may mean both at once, preserving the complex nature of the event. Often, however, they find it necessary to specify which stage of the second coming they are talking about.
Anti-dispensationalists sometimes find this way of speaking humorous. They may jibe, “Do you mean the first second coming or the second second coming?” Viewing Jesus’ coming as a complex event, however, means that there is nothing implausible in the idea that the second coming occurs in stages. In fact, dispensationalists affirm that the Bible rather clearly shows these multiple stages. The second coming must be viewed as a complex event.
This essay is by Kevin T. Bauder, Research Professor of Historical and Systematic Theology at Central Baptist Theological Seminary. Not every one of the professors, students, or alumni of Central Seminary necessarily agrees with every opinion that it expresses.
Bless, O My Soul, the Living God
Isaac Watts (1674–1748)
Bless, O my soul, the living God;
Call home thy thoughts that rove abroad,
Let all the pow’rs within me join
In work and worship so divine.
Bless, O my soul, the God of grace;
His favors claim thy highest praise;
Why should ungrateful silence hide
The blessings which his hands provide?
‘Tis he, my soul, that sent his Son
To die for crimes which thou hast done;
He owns the ransom, and forgives
The hourly follies of our lives.
The vices of the mind he heals,
And cures the pains that nature feels—
Redeems the soul from hell, and saves
Our wasting life from threat’ning graves.
Our youth decay’d his pow’r repairs;
His mercy crowns our growing years;
He fills our store with ev’ry good,
And feeds our souls with heav’nly food.
He sees th’ oppressor and th’ opprest,
And often gives the suff’rer rest;
But will his justice more display
In the last great rewarding day.
Episode 52 – The Word and the Testimony – The Central Hymn with Roy Beacham & Jon Pratt
In this episode, Dr. Roy Beacham & Dr. Jon Pratt discuss the history and significance of the Central Hymn. “The Word and the Testimony,” based on Isaiah 8:20, has served as the motto of Central Seminary and emphasizes the centrality of the Word of God.
Keywords
Central Seminary, Central Hymn, history, significance, motto, Word and testimony, Isaiah 8:20, professors, anecdotes, memories, Christological, evangelistic, ministry
Takeaways
- The Central Hymn is based on Isaiah 8:20 and has served as the motto of Central Seminary in emphasizing the importance of the Word and testimony.
- The hymn reflects the legacy and mission of Central Seminary to train leaders who are committed to the Word and its centrality in preaching and teaching.
Quotes
- Jon Pratt: “Little did I know that the song that I was listening to as a kid would be the main theme song of the seminary where I would be teaching at one day.”
- Roy Beacham: “Return to the word, follow the word, follow the Lord. If not, your future is dim, there’s no light.”
The Word and the Testimony
by Dr. Richard V. Clearwaters
Founder of Central Seminary
Isaiah 8:20
To the Law and Testimony
Ever shall be Central’s song;
For within these sacred pages
We have found the Father’s Son.
Of our service He is worthy,
For His form we plainly see,
In the pages of the Volume
Daily witnessed there for me.
Words there great and oh so precious,
Ever speaking loud and clear
To lost sinners, poor and needy,
By God’s nature, now drawn near.
For the hunger that He gives us,
By this Self of His within;
We are pure in daily living,
Through the power He gives to men.
In the world and no part of it,
We will shun its sin and lust;
For the Savior’s image charms us
Through the Book, for us to trust.
In the highways and the byways,
In the halls with noise and din;
Here at “Central” He is central,
Like the Book that brings us Him.
Ending Another School Year
Here at Central Seminary the school year draws to an end in May. It is a bittersweet time. The “bitter” side of bittersweet comes from two sources. One is because the season always involves intense work. Professors are always crunched to do final grading. We don’t get much else done for a couple of weeks. The registrar and office help must scurry in preparation for graduation activities, which include the semi-annual board meeting, graduation practice, a meal for graduating seniors and their families, and of course the commencement ceremony. During these weeks we tend to run on adrenaline.
The other part of the “bitter” in bittersweet comes from the departure of our graduates. Over the years we see them in class repeatedly. We develop relationships with them outside of class. We become friends, and our lives begin to revolve around each other’s. With graduation, however, the relationship changes. While the friendships don’t dissolve, they tend to become more distant for the simple reason that we don’t see each other as regularly.
But of course, that change leads directly into the “sweet” side of the bittersweet season. Students graduate because they have finished their preparation. They no longer need to be in class. Instead, they can devote themselves to the work that the Lord gives them. They are able to minister effectively on their own, and that is exactly why we invest in them to begin with.
One of the blessings of teaching is that you get to see your students go on to put their learning to use. I’m now in my 27th year of teaching at Central Seminary, and I am delighted to have former students who are ministering effectively around the United States and even around the world. It is a special pleasure to have seen numbers of them surpass me in various ways (for example, I work for two of my former students). Many of them are doing work that I never could, and that is cause for rejoicing.
For years our graduation regimen has stayed the same, but this Spring it is changing in multiple ways. In the past, the activities of graduation week were spread over three days, from Thursday when the board committees met until the Saturday commencement ceremony. This year, however, we are trying to fit it all into one day. Friday will begin with board meetings until about noon. After a brief lunch the board will continue to meet while students attend the graduation practice. The graduation meal, which used to be a breakfast on Friday morning, will now become a dinner on Friday afternoon. The ceremony itself will be held on Friday evening.
The schedule is not the only change. Over the past several years we have shifted toward Zoom technology as the platform for delivering education. We are now at the point where few of our students are local. Many live in distant countries. For the first time, one of our graduates has been unable to get a visa to attend commencement. Due to these changes, Central Seminary will shift its commencement to include a significant livestream component.
We also have an unusually small graduating class this year. Partly that is because we went through a slump in recruiting several years ago (that has been corrected and we have a robust student population now). Partly it is because students are taking longer to complete their programs. Mostly, we don’t know why the numbers have worked out as they have. At any rate, this is a good year to experiment with a new format for graduation.
Today I signed the final drafts of a major project for a Doctor of Ministry graduate. This week I will teach the final classes before Final Exam Week. Next week we will administer those exams, and the professors will have an accelerated schedule to submit grades for graduating students. Then on Friday, May 10, the school year will conclude. I anticipate waking up a week from Saturday to the first day of summer break.
The expression “summer break” hardly seems an adequate designation anymore. Although the graduates will have departed, we will nevertheless be offering courses through much of the summer. Those months will also involve a fair amount of travel as administrators and faculty represent the seminary at the annual meetings of various fellowships. In July most of our professors will travel to the Bible Faculty Summit to interact with peers from sister institutions. By August, each of us will be gearing up to face the faculty in-service meetings, which will conclude just before the next academic year begins. These days, teaching at Central Seminary keeps us busy all twelve months of the year.
Nevertheless, graduation represents a milestone, and not only for those who are graduating. Each commencement is a rite of passage, as much for teachers and administrators as for students. It marks an academic year coming to a close, a task accomplished once for all, and a new circle of students advancing into the next stage of their service for the Lord.
This essay is by Kevin T. Bauder, Research Professor of Historical and Systematic Theology at Central Baptist Theological Seminary. Not every one of the professors, students, or alumni of Central Seminary necessarily agrees with every opinion that it expresses.
Christ’s Care of Ministers and Churches
Philip Doddridge (1702–1751)
We bless th’ eternal Source of light,
Who makes the stars to shine;
And, through this dark beclouded world,
Diffuseth rays divine.
We bless the churches’ sovereign King,
Whose golden lamps we are;
Fixed in the temples of His love
To shine with radiance fair.
Still be our purity be preserved;
Still fed with oil the flame;
And in deep characters inscribed
Our heavenly Master’s name.
Then, while between our ranks He walks
And all our state surveys,
His smiles shall with new luster deck
The people of His praise.
Equality
We often hear equality spoken of as if it were one of the greater goods. The assumption seems to be that any form of inequality is intrinsically unjust, and that inequalities only exist because one person or group of people is oppressing another. Inequalities that convey advantages are now called privilege, and privilege is regularly and roundly denounced. Justice (it is thought) requires the abolishment of privilege.
Perhaps it is worth asking what real equality would look like. For example, what would complete political equality involve? A truly egalitarian political system would be one in which offices were lifted out of the realm of favoritism. To do that, they would have to be filled by rota. Everyone would serve once in every office. Of course, to do that, terms of office would have to be shortened dramatically. Suppose we tried to give every citizen the chance to serve as President of the United States for exactly one hour. In that system, we would have approximately 8,766 presidents over the course of a single year.
While that number seems high, it would still not give everyone the opportunity to be president. For every resident of the United States to serve a single one-hour term would take just over 34,223 years, which is almost as long as we have to stand in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles. So what is the alternative? If everyone cannot serve, should we perhaps draw lots for each hour of office?
We could combine the methods of rota and lot, particularly if we take into account all of the public offices that exist in the United States. Besides the president and vice-president, we have about 500 people in Congress, fifty governors and lieutenant governors, around 7,000 state legislators, an army of local officials, plus the entire judiciary (in a truly egalitarian system, everybody would have a turn at being a judge). The total comes up to something like half-a-million offices.
Suppose each office were filled by a different person each day, and that each officeholder was chosen by lot. In this scheme, every American would serve in some office about one day every two years. The particular office—whether federal, state, or local—would be entirely up to chance. This system might give us our best shot at genuine equality. It would also have other advantages, such as the complete elimination of election campaigns. Furthermore, the amount of damage that any one officeholder could do would be limited.
On the other hand, that kind of equality would create chaos. A significant number of officeholders would have little interest in serving their day. They would view a day in office as an unwelcome interruption, just as many now perceive a day of jury duty. Another number would see a day in office as little more than an excuse to party. Of those who really wanted to serve, only a fraction would bring the necessary skills and qualifications. Who really needs that kind of equality?
Political equality does not and cannot exist. In my community lives a woman named Ilhan Omar. She and I do not have an equal voice in the political process. She gets to act directly upon federal legislation, and I do not. Her level of power and privilege far exceeds, and in fact contradicts, mine. She rarely or never represents my interests, opinions, views, and perspectives.
How did she get to be so privileged? It happened through favoritism. She was elected to office by people who live near us both. The largest bloc of people who chose her share the religion and ethnicity into which she and they were born. In other words, her privilege is based in unearned features. She sometimes talks about equality, but I have never heard her advocate the kind of equality that would give me the same voice in Washington that she has.
The American founders were not ignorant of the difficulty in creating complete equality. When they declared that “all men are created equal,” they immediately qualified their statement with an appositional clause implying that all people are equally “endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.” They never dreamed of creating a system of full political equality, partly because they knew that crude population was not the only interest that needed to be represented in a just system of government. Nevertheless, they did understand that under a just government people must stand as equals before the law. (I note in passing that this principle is violated every time Congress exempts itself from laws that it passes to govern the rest of the nation.)
These same founders also recognized that people must all equally answer to God. Answering to God is a far more serious matter than answering to civil authority. Consequently, the founders inferred that governments have no right to mandate how people must relate to God. Instead, just governments must refuse to establish religions and must also protect the free exercise of religion (as long as those exercises do not transgress in matters that governments do have a right to legislate). So long as we have not entered the Kingdom of God, civil authorities have no right to mandate the worship of the true and living God or to forbid the worship of false gods.
The point is that equality is not the greatest good. It is not always a good at all, particularly when understood as equality of condition. Political philosophies or movements that constantly appeal to equality should rouse our suspicions. At the end of the day, almost all egalitarians are faux-egalitarians. What they want is not true equality, but a way to promote privilege for their own crowd.
This essay is by Kevin T. Bauder, Research Professor of Historical and Systematic Theology at Central Baptist Theological Seminary. Not every one of the professors, students, or alumni of Central Seminary necessarily agrees with every opinion that it expresses.
Psalm 37
Isaac Watts (1674-1748)
Why should I vex my soul, and fret
To see the wicked rise?
Or envy sinners waxing great,
By violence and lies?
As flow’ry grass cut down at noon,
Before the ev’ning fades,
So shall their glories vanish soon,
In everlasting shades.
Then let me make the Lord my trust,
And practice all that’s good;
So shall I dwell among the just,
And he’ll provide me food.
I to my God my ways commit,
And cheerful wait his will;
Thy hand which guides my doubtful feet,
Shall my desires fulfil.
Mine innocence shalt thou display,
And make thy judgments known,
Fair as the light of dawning day,
And glorious as the noon.
The meek at last the earth possess,
And are the heirs of heav’n;
True riches, with abundant peace,
To humble souls are giv’n.
Rest in the Lord, and keep his way,
Nor let your anger rise,
Though Providence should long delay,
To punish haughty vice.
Let sinners join to break your peace,
And plot, and rage, and foam;
The Lord derides them, for he sees
Their day of vengeance come.
They have drawn out the threat’ning sword,
Have bent the murd’rous bow,
To slay the men that fear the Lord,
And bring the righteous low.
My God shall break their bows, and burn
Their persecuting darts,
Shall their own swords against them turn,
And pierce their stubborn hearts.
Vocation and Vocations
[This essay was originally published on February 5, 2016.]
The Reformers erected the doctrine of calling in reaction to the Romanist distinction between clergy and laity. At the time, Catholics recognized only two vocations: the calling to consecration (which typically involved joining an order) and the calling to ordination (priesthood). In other words, monks and priests had a vocation; other people did not.
Over against this distinction the Reformers insisted that God calls all Christians. Their vocation is whatever station enables believers to demonstrate God’s love by serving others. In the Protestant view of vocation, ministers are called—but so are bakers, farmers, shopkeepers, and tradesmen.
The Protestant view of vocation grows out of 1 Corinthians 7:17-22. In this passage, vocation refers primarily to God’s calling of the individual to salvation. That is the first and highest calling for any Christian—to be a child of God, placing His character on display in the world, working out our salvation. Paul’s point in this passage and its surrounding context is that every lawful station of life (marriage, singleness, slavery, freedom, circumcision, uncircumcision) provides the opportunity to do just that. We are to use whatever station in which we find ourselves for God’s glory. The Reformers’ doctrine of vocation—the Protestant doctrine of vocation—is really the Pauline and biblical doctrine of vocation.
This Pauline doctrine of vocation is probably what lies behind Paul’s cryptic comment in 1 Timothy 2:15. He says that the woman will be saved in childbearing if she continues in faith, love, holiness, and self-restraint. Paul certainly does not mean to teach that giving birth somehow forgives a woman’s sins and secures eternal life. Given the context, he is most likely saying that maternity is a station that allows a woman to demonstrate how God’s saving grace is working in her life. A minister exhibits his salvation through his preaching and teaching, but Paul forbade women to teach or usurp authority over men. Are they then relegated to the position of second-class Christians? Not at all! Maternity (and domesticity) enable the stay-at-home mom to place her salvation fully on display.
This is an important truth. Pastors have the privilege of spending hours each day in the Scriptures so that they might minister the Word of God. Stay-at-home moms may struggle to find a quarter of an hour for devotions. Some might think that the pastor occupies the more spiritual position, but that is not what Paul says. A woman who rightly fulfills her station as a mother is bringing glory to God, just as the minister is.
What is true of the stay-at-home mom is true of all lawful vocations. They are ways of showing God’s love by serving others. They are ways of working out our salvation. Every vocation provides a giant screen upon which the Christian can project the manifold grace of God.
The difference is that the pastor’s vocation takes him into the study, away from the rush and tumble of life, to listen quietly to God. The mother’s vocation takes her into playrooms and grocery stores, and she does things like changing diapers, preparing meals, and wiping runny noses. To use the traditional labels, the minister’s life is contemplative while the mother’s life is active.
The point is that both of these lives are callings. Both are spiritual. Both bring glory to God if they are conscientiously pursued.
Most Christians actually occupy multiple callings. One of those callings pertains to all believers: the calling to place salvation on display. Other callings are discovered in our particular situations. A married man is called to love his wife. A father is called to bring up his children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Whatever we do to gain a living is also our calling, whether it involves balancing books, performing surgeries, or flipping burgers. Obviously some callings may change over time. A wedding marks the end of singleness (one calling) and the beginning of marriage (a different calling). A transition between jobs also usually marks a change in callings.
Some callings we choose; some are chosen for us. A slave does not typically choose slavery, though Paul says that if slaves are given a choice, they should choose freedom. Nevertheless, both slavery and freedom are callings. Sometimes our choice of callings is restricted by circumstances: there are no accountant jobs open, so we sweep floors instead. When such situations occur, we must not feel ourselves to be victims or become bitter against the calling into which God has led us. We must use it for His glory.
Other times God allows us to select from multiple options. How then should we choose? Too many Christians assume that the most financially rewarding option must be God’s calling. Sometimes it is, but often it is not. Callings should almost never be chosen on the basis of pecuniary considerations alone. Rather, we should ask, Where can I best place my salvation on display? How can I best show people God’s love by serving them? What am I equipped to do with excellence, and what will make the greatest difference for the Lord?
A man who would make a terrible pastor might make a wonderful truck driver. A woman who could never adapt to the mission field might make a good lawyer. Some young people who would be miserable in college might be more useful—and more happy—as plumbers or electricians. God not only calls people to different vocations, He also equips them differently for those vocations.
Every vocation deserves respect and even esteem. Christians who are farmers, bankers, doctors, airline pilots, police officers, short order cooks, managers, cashiers, actuaries, and stay-at-home moms have vocations that are just as significant to God as the vocation of the minister. Let us honor all, and make the most of the callings that God has given us.
This essay is by Kevin T. Bauder, Research Professor of Historical and Systematic Theology at Central Baptist Theological Seminary. Not every one of the professors, students, or alumni of Central Seminary necessarily agrees with every opinion that it expresses.
Psalm 82
Isaac Watts (1674-1748)
Among th’ assemblies of the great
A greater Ruler takes his seat;
The God of heav’n, as Judge, surveys
Those gods on earth, and all their ways.
Why will ye, then, frame wicked laws?
Or why support th’ unrighteous cause?
When will ye once defend the poor,
That sinners vex the saints no more?
They know not, Lord, nor will they know;
Dark are the ways in which they go;
Their name of earthly gods is vain,
For they shall fall and die like men.
Arise, O Lord, and let thy Son
Possess his universal throne,
And rule the nations with his rod;
He is our Judge, and he our God.
Blessings of Distance Education
This week, Central Seminary welcomed Ellis and Jillian Narcisse, distance education students from South America, to spend some time at our campus in Plymouth. The Narcisse family, along with their three children, are missionaries in Bolivia planting New Life Baptist Church. Their visit to Central Seminary coincides with a family visit to North America this spring and summer.
The global pandemic of Covid-19 opened doors for the Narcisse family in an unexpected way. Cell service became available for the school system in their remote village high in the Andes mountains. This newfound connectivity allowed Ellis to begin his Master of Divinity through Central Seminary’s distance education program. Jillian has also joined in, pursuing her M.A. in Biblical Counseling.
Central Seminary faculty and students were thrilled to have the Narcisse family join them on campus for classes. Their dedication to ministry and their commitment to continuing their education, even from afar, is an encourgament in our mission.
To learn more about distance education, visit our Distance Education page.
During the month of April, we are accepting free applications. Look up our programs and begin the process. We would love to assist in your studies of God’s Word.
Libraries and Bookstores
I learned to read in first grade. I loved it immediately. Being able to conjure meaning from black marks on a white page was like magic. I no longer had to rely on others to read stories to me. I could discover for myself what Dick and Jane, Sally and Spot were doing.
An aunt used to bless us with copies of the great children’s books. Together with books that my parents gave us, my siblings and I had whole shelves of reading. These included the Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys mysteries (we read them all, indiscriminate of gender). We had some volumes of the Bobbsey Twins, and I remember reading several Tom Swift books. We had abridged editions of classic literature, and I loved the Landmark historical series.
I must have been in fourth or fifth grade when my parents bought me a book of short stories by Edgar Allan Poe. That introduced me to horror. Though I did not find Poe particularly frightening, Algernon Blackwood’s short story, The Willows, haunted me for weeks.
It must have been about that time—fifth or sixth grade—that our class went on a field trip to the Sage Library in Bay City, Michigan. The building looked like a castle, and inside were more books than I’d ever seen. Not just shelves of them, but whole rooms and even floors of them. I was enthralled. Sadly, I’ve never been back, but the event began a love affair with libraries.
By the time I was in seventh grade my parents had moved into the small town of Freeland, where I learned that the Saginaw County bookmobile visited every two weeks. I was ecstatic. I received my first library card and, as I recall, this was where I first read Arthur Conan Doyle’s stories about Sherlock Holmes.
Two years later we had relocated to Iowa so my father could attend Bible college. Soon my mother was managing the campus bookstore. I can remember helping my father build sections of bookshelves for the store, some of which may still be in use after fifty years. This was my first contact with a bookstore, and I learned to love the atmosphere of a room filled with books for sale.
Mom’s job also helped my father to build his library. It gave her a line on publishers’ discounts and closeouts. We lived right across the street from the college, and Dad built a study in our basement. Soon it was packed with hundreds of books. I loved to sit at his desk and read his books. For example, Feinberg’s commentary on Ezekiel helped me to understand the opening chapters of that prophecy.
Within another couple of years, Dad had accepted a pastorate in a small town. Now his study was in the church building, and he had even more books. This room was one of my favorite places. Perhaps that is where I first discovered that, even in solitude, one is never alone when one is surrounded by books.
When I was a junior in high school I accompanied my father to a bookstore in downtown Des Moines. He pointed out the writings of C. S. Lewis and encouraged me to get acquainted. He even bought me copies of The Screwtape Letters and Out of the Silent Planet. I could not have guessed what a turning point that day would become.
About that time, indoor shopping malls became the rage. Ames had the one that was closest to our home, but Des Moines had a bigger one. Inside those malls were shops like B. Dalton Booksellers and Walden Books. Later on, Borders Books and Barnes and Noble joined them. For the next twenty years, any trip to the mall meant checking the discount tables in those stores.
When I was in Denver for seminary, one of the big mail-order distributors of theological books had a retail store in the south part of town. Several classmates and I would visit that store to look for bargains every few weeks. It’s where I bought my first copies of many of J. Gresham Machen’s essays. That, too, was a turning point.
During my first pastorate I learned that some of the big publishers operated their own bookstores in Grand Rapids, Michigan. On a couple of occasions I traveled to Grand Rapids specifically to raid the stores at Eerdmans and especially Kregel. They were wonderful places.
When I moved to Dallas for doctoral studies I discovered a Half Price Books just a mile from our home. It wasn’t huge, but it had a surprising selection of used books at good prices. The problem was that I had no money. I recall coveting a volume of Meister Eckhart’s works for something like two years before finally making a lowball offer on it. And my offer was accepted! I went home feeling like a great hunter that day.
Dallas was home to the Half Price Books headquarters. Their main store was located near Central Expressway and Northwest Highway. It was in a rambling old frame building with board staircases leading to the second floor. My children loved it as much as I did, and they would beg to go to the “wooden bookstore.”
Other bookstores were scattered around Dallas, and I got to know most of them. When I was planting a church in Sachse, we had to drive to Plano to copy our bulletins. My wife would make the copies at Office Depot while I took the kids next door to the bookstore. They would be too occupied ever to cause trouble. So was I, sometimes to my wife’s exasperation.
Of course, both my study and my home eventually began to overflow with books. I could see a problem looming—where to find more space for shelves? But then the world changed. By about 2005, Amazon was pushing brick-and-mortar bookstores out of business. By 2010, Kindle and Nook were beginning to replace paper books, and Logos was providing an electronic platform that greatly enhanced theological study. Around 2012 I began to shift seriously toward electronic books.
I still have several thousand physical books, but fewer than I once did. I have more than double the volumes on Logos, and many times more for Kindle. I have begun to cull most physical books if I own an electronic version.
It’s wonderful to be able to transport tens of thousands of volumes in a computer no larger than a clipboard. I love being able to read almost anything I wish, almost anywhere I want to read it. I’m more grateful than I can say.
But I miss bookstores. I miss their atmosphere. I miss the adventure of handling texts before buying them. I miss being able to leaf through the pages. I miss the smell. Sadly, those are experiences that are now receding into the past, and I feel sorry for the coming generations that will miss them.
This essay is by Kevin T. Bauder, Research Professor of Historical and Systematic Theology at Central Baptist Theological Seminary. Not every one of the professors, students, or alumni of Central Seminary necessarily agrees with every opinion that it expresses.
Rise, O My Soul, Pursue the Path
John Needham (?-1786)
Rise, O my soul, pursue the path
By ancient worthies trod;
Aspiring, view those holy men
Who lived and walked with God.
Though dead, they speak in reason’s ear,
And in example live;
Their faith, and hope, and mighty deeds,
Still fresh instruction give.
‘Twas through the Lamb’s most precious blood
They conquered every foe;
To His power and matchless grace
Their crowns of life they owe.
Lord, may I ever keep in view
The patterns Thou hast giv’n,
And ne’er forsake the blessèd road
That led them safe to Heaven.
Episode 50 – Balancing Education & Ministry
In today’s episode, we sit down with Pastor Tim Bonebright (M.Div. Class of 2024) to talk about balancing education and ministry. We discuss the process of preparing for the doctrinal defense and how taking classes has supplemented pastoral ministry.
Takeaways
- Preparing for the doctrinal defense starts with each systematic course, gets refined with senior seminar, and with feedback from professors.
- Taking classes at Central Seminary has helped in pastoral ministry, particularly in preaching and clarity of message.
- Pastors can benefit from theological education by gaining a greater understanding of the Bible and being better equipped to answer questions and address challenges.
- Seminary students can engage their minds and disengage from the challenges of ministry, finding refreshment in the study of God’s Word.
- The future of theological education is promising, with opportunities for global connections and the spread of the gospel.
- The professors at Central Seminary invest in their students and provide personal support and guidance.
Book Suggestions
- ‘Share Jesus Without Fear’ by Bill Fay
- ‘Tactics’ by Greg Koukl
- ‘Conversational Evangelism’ by David and Norman Geisler.
Quotes
- Speaking on the doctrinal defense: “Dr. Williams had said, ‘It’s really a celebration.’ And being on this side, I go, yeah, it really is! It really is a time of joy! And looking back (I wouldn’t say this during it) but that was fun because you’re talking theology with men that are godly men that you respect and men that know the Word very well.”
- “And that was phenomenal because now I feel like I’m better able to proclaim the word.”
- “There is the opportunity to learn from people in other continents and to see the ministry that God has given them and they are students of the Word. And I go, wow, I want to be a student like they are.”
- “I think each year I’ve been here, I’ve had different teachers that were my faculty and they would call me during the year just to check on me, just to pray with me.”
- “Look at Central, you won’t find a better school.”
- “It’s hard work, but when you get to this point, it’s worth it. It truly is.”
Full Transcript:
Ep. 50: Balancing Education & Ministry
Micah Tanis, Host
Welcome to the Central Seminary Podcast today. We’re glad you have joined us. We’ve got a special episode for you this week. This is during the time of our semester when we have our graduating students come in for their doctrinal defenses. We just had a Doctor of Ministry defense with Mark Herbster and a really neat time to go through that. We are currently in the time of going through our senior MDiv students. And I’ve got one of our senior MDiv students with us here in the podcast studio, Pastor Tim Bonebright.
Pastor Tim, Thank you and welcome to the podcast.
Tim Bonebright
Well, thank you Micah. It is great to be here It’s a joy to be on campus
MT: Yeah, and there’s a little extra joy in your voice today Tim because just just an hour and a half ago Tim Successfully defended his doctrinal defense. So congratulations Tim I’m sure that’s a weight off your shoulders?
TB: It very much is now I just have to finish up the last few classes and get back here for graduation
MT: So it’s great to have Tim on campus here because right now Tim is pastoring and Tim is pastoring in Kansas, I understand. What’s your church? Tell us just a little bit about your church in Kansas.
TB: Yeah, it’s Goodland Bible Church in Goodland, Kansas. Goodland is 17 miles across the Colorado -Kansas border, a little farm community. It’s a church of 60 to 70 people if everyone was there. Just a neat little church with some wonderful people there that love the Lord. We’re not a perfect church, but there’s just some dear people there that I love being able to serve with.
MT: And how long you’ve been pastoring there, Goodland?
TB: Coming up in June, it’ll be nine years. Excellent, yes. I accepted the call there in June of 2015 and moved there in July of 2015.
MT: We’ve got Tim here to just share a little bit about some of the events and the ways that some of our students go through the semester. Even this doctrinal defense, what is that? Is it like ordination? And it’s a neat opportunity. And so we’re going to ask some of those questions, but really what I wanted to bring Tim here to ask him some questions about how taking classes has supplemented pastoral ministry.
We’re going to get into that topic a little bit today on our podcast as we come here to think about how God is using His word and that deep study of it to supplement pastoral ministry. So first talking about the defense because that’s just what was happening today.
What was some of the preparation for that doctrinal defense?
How did you prepare the documents necessary for that? What was that process for you?
TB: Well, as a student, you go through the systematic classes, but what you do as a senior is there’s a Senior Seminar that Dr. Brett Williams leads, and each week you present a different area of systematic theology, and you talk through it, and then he sends it back to you with comments on it, and then after the semester, you put it all together, you make the changes that are necessary or that he recommends, and then you send it back to him.
And then he has a few more comments. And once that’s done, it’s given to the, to the professors and you show up to, for them to question you, but it’s, it’s actually a very, a longer process than just what I said, but it’s a very helpful process. Dr. Williams does a great job of engaging the seniors and helping them not necessarily trying to change what they think, but to sharpen it and, and help them to kind of formulate how they, how they, how they think in a way that’s, that’s clear and concise and able to be presented not just in a doctrinal statement but to the teachers as you defend the doctrinal statement.
MT: Going through the process as you just went through that today about two hours, maybe just some of your thoughts as you were going through and presenting that. I understand you’ve gone through ordination so you’ve pursued that process and then now with a doctrinal defense just fielding some of the questions. What was that similar to Sunday school? Teaching, pastoring?
TB: Yes, in some ways in that you get questions but the difference is in Sunday school, there are people looking to you for the answer that they don’t know. In this situation, they’re looking for the answer that they know and they want to hear your answer. And so it’s similar to ordination, but it’s a bit different because it’s with the teachers, the professors here, it really is a time of learning.
And what I found helpful is they started out and I was expecting to be grilled and just immediately out of the gate, just question after question, just rapid fire, kind of how ordination sometimes can be, but it was, they explained the first doctrine theology proper, gave a short concise statement of my statement, and first moment there was silence. But then instead of asking questions, they looked at something, well consider this, and consider this, and not that there wasn’t questions, but it was walking me through things, and if there was something that maybe I wasn’t a little clear on, they would actually ask me questions in a way that would help me to get to an answer and that they suspected I had.
And so that was very helpful because
it was Dr. Williams that said, it’s really a celebration. And being on this side, I go, yeah, it really is. It really is a time of joy. And looking back, I wouldn’t say this during it, but look back and go, that was fun because you’re talking theology with men that are godly, men that you respect, and men that know the Word very well.
MT: I want to get into the meat of our conversation today to talk about how that has equipped you or it was right along with the process of pastoring. So taking your classes, how has taking the classes at Central Seminary been helpful in your pastoral ministry because you’ve been doing both for these many years?
TB: Yeah. Well, it’s funny you asked that because I started at Central because I had gotten on at Goodland Bible and I was growing. And I was at the place in life where I realized I don’t have all the time in the world. Because when you’re 20 and 30, you’re going, OK, I got a lot of time. But then as you get closer to 40, you go, I need to speed up this process. And so I knew Dr. Pratt from Maranatha where I went to college. And I really respect him and connected with him at a convention and said, that’s where I want to be because they had a distance program. And it’s been very helpful because Central isn’t a seminary that is easy but it’s also a seminary that wants to help pastors and wants to help people in ministry. And so they will engage you and engage your mind and challenge you, but they also want you to be successful in ministry. For the church, for the gospel is truly a line that not just is on the slogan, but is what Central does. So it was very beneficial and kind of a broad scope in this side of it six years later that it just, it just, it prepared me in ways for ministry, for pastoring. And I can get into more of that as we get into that.
Central isn’t a seminary that is easy but it’s also a seminary that wants to help pastors and wants to help people in ministry.
MT: Speaking, thinking of your church family, what are some of the benefits they’ve received of you being in seminary? I know that can be a balance and we’ll talk about that in a few moments, but what are some of the things that they get to take some of the classes alongside you, meaning you’re taking a class and then you get to maybe teach on that right away the next semester or next year?
TB: Yeah. Well, like part of it, again, big picture is a greater understanding. I’d taken Greek in college and then I didn’t use it and then I retook it here and incorporated that into my study. And then with Expository Preaching with Dr. Odens, he’s one of the best homileticians in the world if you were asking me. And so I feel like right now I’m at a place where I’m getting kind of all these things coming together where now when I preach I feel like I’m much more focused and even my wife will tell me that it wasn’t bad before but there’s the direction is better.
And so I get as far as for my church, I think there is better clarity in the preaching because now I’ve got the proposition, I’ve got the main points that connect to the proposition, or that’s the goal in preaching. And whereas before I didn’t think about that as much, alliteration was important, but which it’s not that important. A good proposition and good main points are far better than alliteration. So that has been beneficial.
We could say that that there’s times where maybe I do a paper and then I can teach on that. In fact, there was a paper that Dr. Bowder asked the question of, is homosexuality ever allowable? And so I normally don’t teach Sunday School, but there was one week I did and I said, well, I can do a regular lesson or we can answer this question and I’ll let you guys vote. And they voted on that. So we had a good hour conversation because somebody could say, well, no, move on. Well, okay, we agree with that, but… Why? Because these are questions that, and I even said, your kids and your grandkids are being brought to their attention, because there are some people that are presenting ideas that are really capturing hearts and minds, and they’re going, okay, yeah, well, how do we respond? And I couldn’t have done that had I not been in… Well, I could have, but being here at Central made it a lot easier.
MT: Being a pastor, down in Kansas, what were some of the formats of classes that you took to complete your MDiv. Were you pretty much all online? Were you able to take in a week modular? How did you take the classes to finish your degree?
TB: Through Zoom mostly. I was here one time for a modular in the fall of, spring of ‘19, excuse me. My goal was to be here on campus more, but life and family and kids happened. And so COVID. Well, COVID happened, but you got to take the classes. Yeah. The nice thing about Zoom is if you are in ministry, you can get a top-notch education and still be involved in your ministry. The bad thing about it is you don’t, once class ends and they click close on the Zoom room, you’re done. And so you don’t get that interaction, which is a part of seminary that is helpful, but not necessary.
MT: Speaking of that interaction, what are some of the ones, and just even talking with the professors, I would hear your name come up, especially my office right next to Dr. Pratt, so I’d hear your name up. What were some of the interactions that you were able to continue? I understand you had even Dr. Pratt down to your church. How were you able to get some of that interaction as a pastor?
TB: Well, one of the wonderful things is that I’m a firm, let’s say, believer in Central, but I very much appreciative of Central Seminary and the ministry here because you get teachers that are, like I said earlier, very knowledgeable. They’re godly people, but they invest in the students. And so as my teachers, they would interact with me. If I were to call them and have a question or want to talk through things, they are available for their students. They will stop what they’re doing if they’re able to engage with you. If they’re not, they’ll get back with you and they will.
They’re there for you in a way that I haven’t seen in any school that I’ve been a part of. And they treat you as one of them. And that’s really an incredible thing because these are people that I look up to, that I appreciate and have great respect for. They treat me as a friend.
MT: You spoke about the strength of the study, the rigor of that study. How did you balance that? You’ve got a personal life and anybody that would be looking or pursuing to take a class. You’re also a pastor too. How did you balance those parts of learning and pastoring and family? How did you learn in that balance?
TB: Well, with great difficulty and sometimes not too well. But it’s one of those things, whether you’re in seminary, there’s always the ebb and flow of life. And so what I would, how I would do that is some nights would stay up after the family would go to bed and do some reading. And so there were some nights that I didn’t get as much sleep. And then, how can I say, I compartmentalize where I have, okay, certain days I’m gonna work on this, and then this day I’m gonna work on this. And so, because a lot of times what it would be is there was one semester that had a lot of work.
I was in Greek exegesis and Hebrew exegesis at the same time. And that was pretty taxing, but I would, after class on Friday, then put away the seminary stuff. And then at that point, really focus on on church stuff. And but then throughout the week, you’re you’ve got church stuff that you’ve got to do. And then there’s also the you can only do what you can do. Yeah. And so even with seminary, there’s certain things I would like to pursue this further. I just can’t. And so I’ve got I’ve got to preach on Sunday. And that’s more important. And so, again, not too well. I didn’t do this too well, but I told my wife I’d rather succeed as a pastor than as a seminary student because I’m a pastor before I’m a seminary student, but the seminary student is to help me as a pastor. And so sometimes I probably should have put the seminary stuff away sooner, but one of the things that I like about being a seminary student is you can engage your mind that way. And ministry’s hard sometimes, and seminary allows you to kind of disengage. Maybe it’s wrong for me to say that, but it’s so you have to be careful that you don’t disengage what God has called you to do for something that is there to help you in your calling.
MT: If you were giving advice to a student sort of like yourself, maybe looking even back at yourself who’s going into a pastorate and saying hey, I don’t know if I can start this what if I’m gonna pursue it What advice would you give somebody? Pursuing a master’s degree a master’s divinity. What what would you tell them?
TB: I would tell them do it. But as you start maybe start slow. Kind of get your feet wet to where you start it and then you’ll see that you can do this and that if they were here at Central, they have people there to help them along the way. It’s not that somebody’s pushing you into the deep end and saying, well, we’re gonna see if you can sink or swim. It’s like they’re there with you, kind of walking with you to help you through this process. And so I’d say do it. And then I would say, get from it what you can and that take advantage of the opportunity because it is a wonderful opportunity.
MT: Do you remember any turning points in your seminary education where it started to maybe even take the next step or just defining moments through the time that you were taking the classes?
TB: Yeah, I think one of them was when I did the first year Greek and didn’t really necessarily incorporate that into my study, but then as you get into syntax, you’re now able to start incorporating it into your study and to where you’re looking at, okay, this is this part of speech, but how’s it functioning? And then you’re learning the diagram and different things like that that a lot of people are going, okay, I don’t want to do that, but when you’re studying the word of God to preach and you’re seeing how God’s word is, what the writer is saying and you’re able to get it and in starting to do that, was able to start to see how, OK, this is how this, this what the main point is, and here’s how he’s doing that.
And then so that to me was a turning point, because now I’m incorporating on a weekly basis what I’m learning here. And then with finishing up that and then taking the expository preaching where we’re now I’m getting how I can take this Greek that I’ve learned and now turn it into to a sermon. And that those were two kind of defining moments for me that I’m applying what I’ve learned on a weekly, daily basis.
And that was phenomenal because now I feel like I’m better able to proclaim the word.
MT: Going back to your church, what are some things you’re excited about in the next year or two in your ministry? One, not having classes probably, but the opportunity to, hey, completing it. What are some things you’re looking for with just with your church family?
TB: I think an element that I’m looking forward to is having some more time freed up to engage in some things with the people that I wasn’t able to do. Because if you’re going to do this, you do have to block out times. You have to be more structured in your schedule. But I think there are some things I’m already thinking through of how can I engage the people in a way that I wasn’t necessarily able to while in classes. And just to whether it’s have them over to my house more or just some different ideas that I have of fellowship with the people because churches need that.
MT: What are some of the things that excite you about shepherding the congregation that you’re excited about? It’s our world can look at all of the news cycle. Everything is. We open our newspapers today. What are some things that excite you about pastoring?
TB: To be able to walk with people and see when they make, I don’t want to say connections, but when the word of God at times comes alive, where, I don’t know, comes alive would be the right word, but where they have that moment where they just go, I get it. And you see the changes that they make or you’re able to walk with them and be with them.
And then also another thing that excites me is to be able to learn from them because we often here we’re at Central Seminary and there’s some really smart people here. But one of the things that’s refreshing about ministry, these are people that are just faithfully serving the Lord. And to be able to just do life with them and do ministry is a joy. And like my church, they want to do a workday at my house here in a couple of weeks. And it’s just to be able to love people and be loved by them in something deeper than sports, but something eternal is, there’s nothing better. Nothing better.
MT: Being down in Kansas, you mentioned just a few miles from the Colorado border. What does some of the fellowship that you look like with other pastors, how are you able to rub shoulders with other pastors that around? It’s a neat opportunity. I’ve heard you mentioned some of those ones that Dr. Pratt, you got to run into him. How do you pursue some of that fellowship out in Kansas?
TB: My church is part of what’s called the IFCA International. And so they have regional meetings. The difficulty for me right now is we’re several hundred miles away from any like-minded church, whether it’s the IFCA or a like-minded Baptist church, something along those lines. And so there is some difficulty. And I haven’t been able to go to the regionals like I used to because I have a younger family and then being in seminary. But when I can, I do that.
And there’s different pastors that text me on Sunday mornings telling me they’re praying for me and things like that. And then also one of the things that has been beneficial about being at Central is the engagement that Central really tries. They’ve had to rethink this with Zoom, with a lot of students not being on campus, but how can they engage the students though they’re not here on campus? And so I’ve had good fellowship with these, the teachers and I’m able to call them and talk through a problem or they’ll pray with me when I’m going through some hardships. And that’s been helpful.
So as far as in my local area, there’s other pastors that are believers, but there’s some doctrinal differences that are, the gaps are pretty big. I’m friends with them, but it’s different than somebody like you or people here at Central where I know that I’m aligned with them pretty much. I’m not gonna say 100 % very close in a lot of things.
MT: I want to ask you about just the preparation that God has put you through to bring you to the point of pastoring and what are some of the unique ways that God shaped your life to be a pastor? That if I went back to 12-year-old Tim and told him, hey, you’d be here in 2024 just finishing up a doctrinal defense, what would you have believed yourself?
TB: I would have not. Oh. The funny thing is when I was a kid I was very shy. And I tell people that and they go, I don’t believe this. Ask my mom. I was incredibly shy and kind of give you the history. When I got to high school I started wrestling and I loved it and did well with it. And then God has used wrestling in a lot of ways to direct my steps. It got me to Maranatha where I met you as a boy and we had lunch early.
MT: And tried to talk me into the wrestling team at my high school. I didn’t do it, no.
TB: And then I moved to Colorado to do some wrestling and be involved there and I coached at a high school and went through some hard times and God had to humble me. Pride is something that unfortunately I still deal with. I tell my kids that you’ll be dealing with that till the day you die. Yeah, you don’t graduate from that. God had to break me and I was coaching at a high school and it was really God used coaching at the high school to kind of get me to a place where to recognize this is what God has for me. I’m called to serve him and engage and invest in people. And I was able to do that at the high school with the kids I coached, which ended up at a church in Colorado Springs. My pastor there was somebody I wanted to work under, Jeff Anderson, and got to work under him. And then it was a two-year position to get me to go to Goodland and then well, not that I thought I was going to go to Goodland, but the funny thing is, a year before I went to Goodland, he had mentioned Goodland Bible Church and I said, not going to Kansas. So here I am. Yeah. Yeah. And now you claim Kansas. I claim Kansas. I grew up in California. I don’t claim California. I claim Kansas.
MT: What are your thoughts on the future of theological education? You’ve seen a shift from both taking an undergrad, Maranatha like I did as well, and then having the opportunity to take some of these synchronous courses and doing that. What are some things you see about the future of theological education?
TB: Well, I’m excited and encouraged because of the open doors that people have. One of the exciting things about being a student here at Central is I’ve got classmates in Africa. And initially I thought, well, this is great that Central can be a blessing to these pastors in Africa. And it didn’t take me but a day or two to go, no, these guys are a blessing to us. This guy’s a blessing to me. And so there is the opportunity to learn from people in other continents and to see the ministry that God has given them and they are students of the Word. And I go, wow, I want to be a student like they are. So there’s encouragement that I have. It’s encouragement for me personally that I was able to do this. And then there’s down the road to continue here at Central and some of the other opportunities they have here. And so it’s, I’m excited for the future with this.
And one of the exciting things is it’s just another avenue for the word of God to get out. I love one of my favorite verses is where Paul says the gospel cannot be changed. And one of the exciting things, one of the things I enjoy about Central is this is just one of the ways that the gospel is moving forward. I get to be a part of it at my church and through the ministry of Central.
MT: I got to step into the very end of your doctrinal defense, really, when they were congratulating you that, Tim, you passed. And we’re glad to say that. And as it was really sweet to hear you just share some of the impact that the professors had had on you, what are some of maybe those professors or those moments that they took that just had a deep impact in your life of just stepping into you and walking with you in ministry?
TB: Yeah, it’s just Dr. Pratt when I reconnected with him at the ISA convention, just first thing he says to me is, Dr. Pratt, he says, Tim, call me John. I said, yes, Dr. Pratt. And just the engagement as a friend, as a fellow believer and as a friend, as an equal was just as, well, it’s funny because at the convention, I reverted back to a 21-year-old kid because he was my college teacher where I’ve got to sit straight up. My wife’s sitting next to me. She’s cracking up. I’m not doing what I normally do. I’m sitting still. But it’s just the fact that he treated me as a friend, or there was a time where every class period they’ll start with prayer, and sometimes they’ll say any prayer requests.
And so I can give personal requests, I can give pastoral requests, and there was one time where in church history I just said, pray for me, there’s a situation. And after class I was able to call Dr. Shrader who taught the class and explain him a little more. He said, I’m meeting with the other teachers, and we will pray for you. And then in dealing with that there’s times where you get uneasy, and I was able to call him and he prayed with me. And so they are there for you to take your calls not just on hey, I got a question on this academic issue, but I’ve got this personal issue or I’ve got this pastoral issue and I just need some counsel. I need some help. And so each teacher here, even the adjunct professors, they will connect with you on a personal level and just engage you as a person, which is very important.
MT: It’s a sweet thing to see how students are able to come together. One of the things you guys have is a small group where you get to meet with a professor every so often. What are those like, just some of those small groups where you’re meeting with a professor, who is your maybe small group leader right now? And then what does that look like to get to be in that small group?
TB: My small group leader now is Dr. Bruffey. He’s the first-year Greek teacher, the librarian, and then the Registrar. And Dr. Bruffey is a unique and wonderful man. And so when we meet with him, we get there and he just says, I’ve got no agenda. Let’s just talk. And so you just get to talk. You can talk about ministry. And there’s times where it does get into academic. He goes, I’m trying to stay away from that, but you know, you take it where you want to.
And so you can and then kind of tell where you’re at in life and ministry and then just and I think he tries to connect individually with each student because I remember after one class we talked about connecting and after one meeting he just we just both stayed on and he visited with me for 20 -30 minutes. Excellent. And so that’s because I think each year I’ve been here, I’ve had different teachers that were my faculty and they would call me during the year just to check on me, just to pray with me. And that was very, that was nice. That’s nice. That’s good. Something that we love to ask in the podcast as we have our guests on is maybe a book that has been helpful to you. Recently, I know you’ve read a lot, so you’ve been studying, so you don’t have to pick a textbook. But Tim, has there been a book that has been a particular encouragement to you, maybe one you’re chewing on that you just want to share with our listeners? Maybe they haven’t picked up, maybe they know about it.
Yeah, one of the classes I’m finishing up this semester is personal evangelism and world missions. And there’s several books that Dr. Jeff Brown has us read. He’s an adjunct professor, is dealing with evangelism. And so there’s a couple books he had us read that had been helpful. One was Bill Fay “Share Jesus Without Fear.” And one of the things that was encouraging in that book that Bill Fay talked about is that the responsibility is to share the gospel. And we always worry about, well, will I say the right thing? Will I do it the right way? And he says the only wrong thing is not to share the gospel. Take those opportunities.
Another book in that class was Greg Koukl’s “Tactics.” And one of the things I appreciated about that is how he approaches it by asking questions. And that we’re actually, having done this evangelism, we are, in my church, doing evangelism now. In Sunday school, we’re actually going through Tactics by Koukl and then I’ve been I’m dealing with the Lord’s Prayer and we’re going to move into doing some messages on evangelism Which I added that to it because I thought well, this is I want to do this.
And then I also read recently was David and Norman Geisler’s “Conversational Evangelism” and so those were good books to read because they give you ideas on how to share the gospel and one of the things I think sometimes we get, we feel like we have to do the whole work in one setting. And one of the things they’ll talk about is it’s, you might just be able to, as Coco says, put a stone in their shoe. And if that’s what you do, that’s good because then the next person can come. And so it’s to do your part and to engage them. And it’s been fun to do that because I’ve been able to have opportunities to where I have been able to share the gospel and I’ve seen the challenge that I’ve had to overcome and sometimes I’ve failed but then because I failed here the next time I make sure and I actually was able to at the nursing home there was a man that said I thought I was a goner last night and I sat down and I said well I want to talk to you about something and I explained to him the gospel like hey I want to know that you know I want you to know that you’re going to be with the Lord when you die and I said I want this friendship to last a long time but and I explained to him the gospel about, hey, you’re a sinner and Jesus is the Savior. Put your faith in Him, believe in Him, trust in Him to forgive you. And he prayed and said, God, forgive me for the wicked things that I’ve done. So I said, well, amen. So I… And earlier that day, the plumber is at my house and he told me about a heart attack and I was able to talk a little bit about Jesus, but I didn’t share the gospel. And I went to the nursing home and I said, I’m not gonna fail here. I’m gonna get it done. And when that opportunity presented, I said, I’m not blowing it here. Having read those books, I was ready. I was ready to engage this man.
MT: As we think of the works of God in our life, and I feel like we’ve been able to for half an hour just to testify of the works of God in your life. Anything else just that maybe within your personal, your family, that you just want to praise the Lord for working in a really sweet way, just as we close our time together that God’s active in your life. It’s evident to see, but just to testify of His work.
TB: Just His faithfulness. I sit here in a month; I will get to graduate. It’s been a six-year process. Just His faithfulness with me, even though there’s times I haven’t been as faithful as I should have been. I haven’t been as good of a pastor as I should have been, as a father, a student, but God has been faithful. And just one of the, there’s a couple things, other things.
One is the fellowship that I have with my church family. There are some dear people there that I love to do ministry with, that I love to serve with them. And then just my wife and my kids, they’re a blessing to me. And being able to know that tomorrow I get to go home and they’ll pick me up from the airport and I get to be reunited with them. And the next time I come, they get to be with me. And so it’s just that.
God’s faithfulness in my schooling, in my church, in my family, another is just His Word. It’s refreshing. Life can be exhausting. Whether you’re a pastor, a plumber, whatever you do, life can be hard. Life can be exhausting. And where do we go to find refreshment? You can take a vacation, great, but in a week you come back to work. But how can you be encouraged and challenged? Well, God’s given us His Word. And it’s to be able to open it up every week and study it and prepare sermons and then get up and proclaim it, it is a joy. There’s nothing else I’d rather do. So it’s a blessing.
MT: Thank you, Tim, so much for being on the podcast, just sharing what it was like to be a student but also be a pastor. Look forward to seeing you walk across the stage, get the cap and gown. It’ll be a neat opportunity just to see how God has been working and I’m certain that your family, your congregation is cheering along with you, but thank you for being on the podcast with us.
TB: Thank you and I look forward to you being able to watch me walk across the stage. Thank you for this time and again thank you Central Seminary. Continue to my prayers that Central continues to grow and it is second to none in my opinion. And I would encourage anybody who is thinking of seminary, look at Central, you won’t find a better school.
It’s hard work, but when you get to this point, it’s worth it. It truly is.
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2024 Commencement Exercises
Central Baptist Theological Seminary is thrilled to announce its commencement ceremony, honoring the graduates of the class of 2024. The ceremony will be held on Friday, May 10, at 7:00 PM. in the auditorium of Fourth Baptist Church. Diplomas will be conferred for the Master of Arts in Biblical Counseling, Master of Arts in Theology, Master of Divinity, and Doctor of Ministry degrees.
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2024 Commencement Speaker: Dr. Lee Ormiston
Our 2024 commencement speaker will be area pastor and long-time faculty and board member Dr. Lee Ormiston.
About Dr. Ormiston
Lee Ormiston is the founding pastor of Family Baptist Church in downtown Minneapolis, where he continues to serve as Pastor Emeritus. He is also a Chairman of the Baptist Mid-Missions Foundation and has been part of the Elected Counsel of Baptist Mid-Missions for over 20 years.
Prior to planting Family Baptist Church, Lee served as Pastor of Evangelism at Fourth Baptist Church while attending Central Baptist Theological Seminary in Minneapolis. When Fourth Baptist Church and Central Seminary relocated to Plymouth in 1997, Family Baptist Church was planted to continue a witness in the inter-city Minneapolis neighborhood.
Dr. Ormiston received his Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering from North Dakota State University, a Master of Arts in Biblical Studies from Central Baptist Theological Seminary, and a Doctor of Sacred Ministries from Northland International University. He is an adjunct professor at Bob Jones University and has taught for many years at Central.
The Word and the Testimony
by Dr. Richard V. Clearwaters
Founder of Central Seminary
Isaiah 8:20
To the Law and Testimony
Ever shall be Central’s song;
For within these sacred pages
We have found the Father’s Son.
Of our service He is worthy,
For His form we plainly see,
In the pages of the Volume
Daily witnessed there for me.
Words there great and oh so precious,
Ever speaking loud and clear
To lost sinners, poor and needy,
By God’s nature, now drawn near.
For the hunger that He gives us,
By this Self of His within;
We are pure in daily living,
Through the power He gives to men.
In the world and no part of it,
We will shun its sin and lust;
For the Savior’s image charms us
Through the Book, for us to trust.
In the highways and the byways,
In the halls with noise and din;
Here at “Central” He is central,
Like the Book that brings us Him.
It’s Gratifying
Central Seminary typically offers two weeks of modular classes in the middle of each semester. During those weeks, professors do not teach their usual courses, but they don’t just take the time off. We have plenty of other responsibilities to keep us busy.
One of the activities that commonly occupies our time is hearing defenses. This semester I’ve listened to three of those. One was by a Doctor of Ministry student who was defending his major project. The other two—which I listened to this Wednesday—were by graduating Master of Divinity students.
During their systematic theology courses, all students in all master’s programs are required to submit doctrinal statements for each discipline that they study: bibliology, theology proper, Christology, pneumatology, angelology, anthropology, hamartiology, soteriology, ecclesiology, and eschatology. Then, as Master of Divinity students approach graduation, they compile all ten of their individual statements and revise them into one comprehensive doctrinal statement. They receive help in crafting these statements and clarifying the language. Beginning in April, each graduating MDiv student must defend his or her (yes, we have women in the MDiv program) doctrinal statement before a committee of professors.
We have found that this exercise helps students in multiple ways. It gives them an opportunity to pull together the strands of the system of faith so that they can view it as a whole. It helps them to come to conclusions on issues that they may have been pondering. It also helps them to learn to say things in careful and precise ways. For some students, this is the point at which they move from passively being taught theology to genuinely doing theology for themselves.
The process also helps the faculty. If we find that students are less able to respond to particular questions, or that they have articulated certain areas poorly, we take these results as an indication that we need to strengthen our teaching at those points. Sometimes a confused result indicates that students are getting caught in the crossfire of professors’ divergent opinions without really being helped to think through an issue. We professors are all more concerned that our students fully understand the issues than that they come out on our side of intramural debates.
When they present their statements, we expect students to articulate their own views rather than simply to parrot what they have been told. Consequently, their doctrinal defenses sometimes bring surprises. Occasionally, a student may deviate from the theology that is taught at Central Seminary. As long as students remain orthodox (committed to the fundamentals of the Christian faith), these deviations will not prevent them from graduating. Such deviations do, however, trigger examination of the ways in which those topics have been taught.
Central Seminary tries to emphasize certain points of theological distinctiveness. We are fundamentalist and separatist. We are Baptist. We are cessationist. We are dispensationalist, premillennial, and pretribulational. We teach progressive sanctification. We hope to persuade our students of the correctness of those positions. In fact, we expect all our graduates to know how to defend these positions. If, however, having learned the positions and the defenses, a student remains unpersuaded, those disagreements will not prevent the student from graduating.
Some of our students come from different backgrounds. Some come from other denominations: for example, we have had Pentecostals, Presbyterians, and conservative Lutherans graduate from Central Seminary. Some are more broadly evangelical than we are. Some are uncertain about whether miraculous gifts are available today. Few have been exposed to a robust dispensationalism, and many incoming students are hesitant about pretribulationism and even premillennialism. Whatever the variation, the majority of students who graduate from Central Seminary end up holding positions that are closer to ours when they graduate than they held when they matriculated.
The two defenses that I heard on Wednesday were both competently done. One student had transferred in from a sister seminary. He had already taken most of his theology in that seminary. He also has several years of experience as a senior pastor, and he has already stood before an ordination council to defend his beliefs. His experience gave him an obvious advantage, and it showed.
The other student is a graduate of a university that does not share our faith tradition. He has an excellent education, and he is a bright guy who has no trouble conversing about intellectual, philosophical, historical, or theological issues. Because his educational background was not in biblical or theological studies, he came into the MDiv program at a bit of a disadvantage. His defense, however, showed that he has approximated the level of theological competence that a pastor should have to minister confidently.
As I listened to these two men presenting and defending their beliefs, it occurred to me how very blessed I am to have played a role in their preparation. To be clear, I have been only one voice in their development, and not even the most important one. Still, it is gratifying to see evidence of one’s influence upon another who does well. This is one of the most fulfilling parts of my vocation. I am grateful for students, whether present or past, who have learned well.
This essay is by Kevin T. Bauder, Research Professor of Historical and Systematic Theology at Central Baptist Theological Seminary. Not every one of the professors, students, or alumni of Central Seminary necessarily agrees with every opinion that it expresses.
O Thou, Who Didst Ordain the Word
E. H. Chapin (1814-1880)
O Thou, who didst ordain the Word,
And its strong heralds send,
We draw the holy veil of prayer,
And in Thy presence bend.
To this young warrior of the cross,
Who takes his station here,
Be Thou a teacher and guide,
And be Thy Spirit near.
A pure disciple, let him tread
The ways his Master trod,—
Giving the weary spirits rest,
Leading the lost to God,
Stooping to lend the suffered aid,
Crushed sorrow’s wail to hear,
To bind the widow’s broken heart,
And dry the orphan’s tear.
For war with error make him strong,
And sin, the soul’s dark foe;
But let him humbly seek for truth
Where’er its waters flow;
And when, O Father, at the grave
He lays his armor down,
Give him the victor’s glistening robe,
The palm-wreath and the crown.
Senior Doctrinal Defense
Highlights from our Senior Doctrinal Defenses
During the final weeks of their Senior semester, our Master of Divinity students complete their final step in completing their degree: the Senior Doctrinal Defense.
What is the Senior Doctrinal Defense?
As each M.Div. student progresses through the Systematic Theology courses, one assignment is to compile a doctrinal statement for each area of theology. The Senior Seminar course, taken in the student’s final year, prepares the student for his oral doctrinal defense (and ordination).
During the week of April 1-5, two of our Master of Divinity seniors stood before our faculty for their Senior Doctrinal Defense. [Tim and John pictured here below talking in the hallway following their defense]
Tim Bonebright, pastor of Goodland Bible Church in Goodland, KS, and John Marshall successfully defended their doctrinal statements and are a few weeks away from walking across the graduation platform to receive their degree.
The Master of Divinity at Central Seminary
The purpose of the Master of Divinity degree is to equip Christian leaders to handle the Scriptures skillfully and to love God rightly so that they may bring truth to others. The tremendous responsibilities of ministry leave no room for short-cuts in theological education. This program provides accessible, quality education you can utilize to lead a prepared and invested ministry for the church and for the gospel.
Are you looking to take the step into a deeper study of the Word?
Consider the Master of Divinity degree. This is the core of everything that we do at Central. It is in this program that we seek to train leaders for local churches. You will gain proficiency in Greek and Hebrew which will prepare you for the exegesis that is the foundation of everything. Historical and systematic theology classes will inform your work in the text and connect you to centuries of believers who have gone before. Counseling courses will train you to appropriately apply the meaning of the text to life’s problems. Pastoral theology will groom you to lead the way you ought.
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Cambridge: A Lesson
I first entered Cambridge when I was fifteen years old. I was too young, really, to know what I was doing or to appreciate the advantages that had been presented to me, and I’m afraid that I rather frittered away my time on walks to the river, tramps in the nearby hills, and involvement in local theatrical productions (I really wanted to be an actor). Still, the experience was not entirely wasted, since I was introduced to many of the concepts that would come to govern my life. Furthermore, these were the years when I stumbled across J. R. R. Tolkien. At the time I had no idea who he was, but he influenced me almost immediately.
For health reasons I had to drop out of my baccalaureate program after my sophomore year. By the time I re-enrolled, I had met and married a wife, and she returned with me to Cambridge. We chose to purchase a home in the village, which placed us under some financial strain. Other factors made up for it, though, and those years were quite happy. My wife had completed her education before I returned to Cambridge, and I was studying Scripture and theology in one of the best undergraduate institutions for those disciplines. We attended a church that had been organized in the nonconformist tradition, but that had been led into Baptist convictions by a recent pastor. We made friends of both students and townsfolk. On top of all that, I got to take more of those walks to the river and in the hills.
After I was graduated with my bachelor’s degree, we left Cambridge to study and work in other places. Our travels took us to homes in Colorado, Iowa, Texas, and Minnesota. During most of that time we lived in big cities, though we did get to spend a few years in a rural town in Iowa. Through all our sojourn in the larger metropoli I missed the relaxed pace and familiarity of life in a smaller community.
Consequently, it was with real delight that I seized the opportunity last November to go to Cambridge, not now as a student, but as a minister and professor. While I hope never to stop learning theology, my vocation is now to teach it both in the classroom and from the pulpit. While engaging in that task, I get to see Cambridge from a very different perspective.
Our rooms in Cambridge are comfortable. We have a moderately large kitchen and a formal dining room. Our bedroom is adequately spacious for our needs. I have a study and my wife has a studio where she can practice her piano. Our sitting room is large enough to accommodate several guests in comfort, which is an advantage for any teacher. Furthermore, I have space for a workshop, which is a feature that not many English residences can boast.
Life here is pleasant. Once I leave my door, I can find a walking path within a hundred yards. It connects with other byways that will take me down to the river or through forests and parks, across bridges and up hills, and even into neighboring villages. The river itself is perhaps a quarter-mile from our rooms. The tallest tower in Cambridge also lies within an easy walk, just over a mile away. That walk then puts me in proximity to shops, cafes, ice cream, and baked goods. There are, of course, larger shopping facilities, but they are on the outskirts of town and require transport to reach.
The pace of life in Cambridge is gentle, and in our little segment of the community people seem especially friendly. I’m not used to having strangers inquire after my wellbeing, but that’s what I get near my rooms. Folk whom I don’t even know have begun to recognize me and to greet me, if not by name, then by title.
Because of the season, I’ve only visited the parks briefly. I’m looking forward to exploring them more during the summer. Perhaps my favorite park is one that follows the river for some distance. People both stroll and cycle along the trails, and some even skateboard. When I walk along the water, I can see anglers at its edge. Perhaps at some point I’ll give that a try. I’ve not seen rowers during the colder weather, but I expect they’ll be out when the days are warmer.
Some people don’t care for English cooking, but I enjoy most of it. I could live on toad-in-the-hole, bangers and mash, Cornish pasties, fish and chips, and scones (I’m indifferent to bubble and squeak, and I admit to hesitation about mushy peas). Of course, you can get decent pizzas in Cambridge now, and if you have a hankering for a hamburger there’s even a McDonald’s.
Life in Cambridge is certainly better than in the Twin Cities. Cambridge lies across the county line and is the seat of Isanti County. This geographical fact puts it outside the authority of the Met Council, which is absurdly controlled by liberals.
Yes, I’m talking about Cambridge, Minnesota, where I now have a home. The river near my home is the Rum River. The tower is an abandoned Forest Service lookout tower. The Cambridge in which I spent my teen and college years was Cambridge, Iowa.
Why? What were you thinking?
I have not written a word in the foregoing that isn’t absolutely factual. I’ve made nothing up, nothing at all. But if you didn’t already know me and my background, you might have come away with an impression that was not true to reality.
Here is the lesson. Telling the truth is not just a matter of stating the facts. It is a matter of clothing them in their proper context and presenting them from a proper perspective. By emphasizing certain facts and shading or withholding others, a writer or speaker can create an impression that is miles away from reality. Telling the truth is more than stating the facts—which is a lesson we need to remember whenever we encounter a news report.
This essay is by Kevin T. Bauder, Research Professor of Historical and Systematic Theology at Central Baptist Theological Seminary. Not every one of the professors, students, or alumni of Central Seminary necessarily agrees with every opinion that it expresses.
Sepulchre
George Herbert (1593–1633)
O Blessed bodie! Whither art thou thrown?
No lodging for thee, but a cold hard stone?
So many hearts on earth, and yet not one
Receive thee?
Sure there is room within our hearts good store;
For they can lodge transgressions by the score:
Thousands of toyes dwell there, yet out of doore
They leave thee.
But that which shews them large, shews them unfit.
What ever sinne did this pure rock commit,
Which holds thee now? Who hath indited it
Of murder?
Where our hard hearts have took up stones to braine thee,
And missing this, most falsly did arraigne thee;
Onely these stones in quiet entertain thee,
And order.
And as of old the Law by heav’nly art
Was writ in stone; so thou, which also art
The letter of the word, find’st no fit heart
To hold thee.
Yet do we still persist as we began,
And so should perish, but that nothing can,
Though it be cold, hard, foul, from loving man
Withhold thee.
Episode 49 – Next Generation Discipleship
In today’s episode, we discuss the opportunities and challenges in discipling the next generation. We are joined by Mark Massey & Scott Sivnksty in discussing the importance of investing in young people’s lives and providing them with opportunities to serve and grow in their faith.
Chapters
01:26 Discipling the Next Generation, introducing Scott Sivnksty & Mark Massey
04:30 Involving the Younger Generation
08:54 Discipleship without an Agenda
11:19 Challenges Faced by the Next Generation
15:28 Unique Difficulties and Distorted Values
22:38 Encouragements and Opportunities for Discipleship
24:57 Impact of Discipleship on Young People
27:04 Recommended Books for Discipleship
32:18 God’s Work in Personal Lives
Takeaways
- Investing in the next generation through opportunities to serve and grow is crucial for discipleship.
- Discipleship allows room for God to direct in young people’s lives.
- A hardship to discipling can be the tech world, but the church provides a stark alternative to what the world offers.
- Looking back to God’s blessings in Gen 1, we can see how the world has distorted God’s order. Focusing on the ways God has created us, gives us a stable and accessable foundation to teach discipleship.
- God is at work in our personal lives, directing us into new seasons and refocusing our lives. Praise the Lord for his working!
Book Suggestions and Recommendations for Discipleship Study:
- John Flavel, Keeping the Heart: How to Maintain Your Love for God
- Deepak Raju, Rescue Skills: Essential Skills for Restoring the Sexually Broken
- Paul Tripp, Lead: 12 Principles for Leadership in the Church
- R. Kent Hughes, Disciplines of a Godly Man
- R. Kent Hughes, Disciplines of a Godly Young Man
- J. C. Ryle, Thoughts for Young Men
- Oswald Sanders, Spiritual Leadership: Principles of Excellence for Every Believer
- Bill Hull, The Disciple-Making Church: Leading a Body of Believers on the Journey of Faith
Full Transcript:
Ep. 49: Next Generation Discipleship
Micah Tanis, Host:
Welcome to the Central Seminary Podcast today. We’re glad you have joined us. We’ve got a special episode for you this week. We come to you from the road. We’re over visiting Camp Chetek. They have an annual conference (Tweakage) of all the camps that come together in this year. They are at Camp Chetek. Almost 275 people from camps all across America have come together to share ideas. It is a great opportunity to meet many of the camp directors and those who are involved in camping.
As my life has been a part in great impacted by the ministry of camping. My father, who’s camp director at Camp Chetek, was saved through the ministry of camping and I had an opportunity to serve at camp. So what I wanted to do in a podcast episode is to take some questions. I’ve got two men here that are deeply involved in camp ministry of Scott Sivnksty and Mark Massey (MAT Biblical Counseling ’08), who each dedicate their lives to serving in both (church) ministries and then in camping ministries specifically.
I wanted to bring some questions just of how we think about discipling the next generation. Specifically, maybe pastors, if you’re listening, thinking about that age group from 18 to 25 of opportunities that you would have for discipleship and the encouragement that there is in Christian discipleship within our churches. So I’m just going to introduce these men. Here I have Scott Sivnksty. Scott, welcome to the podcast. Thanks for joining us. Can you tell us a little bit about your ministry, where you’re rooted at and then some of the camp involvement that you have?
Scott Sivnksty: Sure. I am based in Raleigh, North Carolina. I am a full-time evangelist. I served as a youth pastor for almost seven years before starting in evangelism in 2005. And then I’ve actually been coming to Camp Chetek since 2006. Usually speaking one or two weeks of camp. And then in 2009, I believe, your dad asked me if I would consider coming on as the Director of T.E.A.M., our servant leadership program here at Chetek. And so I grudgingly told him that I would do it for one summer. Yeah, we’re entering our summer of T.E.A.M. directing Lord willing that we get to see this.
MT: I love the acronym of T.E.A.M. Teens Entering Active Ministry.
And just the teens that come being a part of that because we got to work together. Back in 09, beginning that program, really steering it towards a discipleship focus and seeing the great impact of that. Now to see 15 years later, where some of those kids are in ministry, pastoring, pastors wives. It’s really neat to see some of the impact that they’ve had in serving the heart of that.
SS: Yeah. A lot of neat, I wouldn’t want to say success stories, but you see God. Working in ways in certain people’s lives that you would have never dreamed. And yes, there are always some of those stories, sadly, where you have kids that they come and they have this great potential and they seem like they’re getting it and they go out and they turn aside. And you have those casualties of spiritual warfare, which you never like to see, but on the flip side, seeing how so many of the young people that have come through T.E.A.M. over the years. And how it’s impacted their lives and to still today have people that will come and tell me that some of the most impactful time in their lives was when they were on T.E.A.M. and that it continues to impact them and to direct them in their lives. It’s a pretty huge blessing to just have a small part with that.
MT: Thank you, Scott. We also have an alumnus of Central Seminary, Mark Massey. Mark graduated in 2008 with a Master of Arts in Theology: Biblical Counseling. So you’re putting that into practice. Mark, tell us a little bit about your ministry and I would say ministries that you’re involved with.
Mark Massey: Well, I work with Victory Academy for Boys over in Amberg, Wisconsin, northeast corner, north of Green Bay. We’re basically a boarding school, six to eight kids. We work with them each school year to help them figure out their spiritual journey a little bit, help them get back to kind of a trajectory of growth and being willing to be influenced for God. As they make their life choices and that kind of thing. And we disciple families in that process, understanding that we have kids for like nine months and it’s not a nine-month process, it’s a life process. So we wanna help parents get back in the place of being able to be that influence that God wants them to be, whether their kids are turning 18 or not. It continues on, so. And help them with that.
MT: Thinking of the question of discipling the next generation, what are opportunities that you guys have seen for this? Maybe a pastor that’s listening is thinking through, “Hey, I’ve got an 18-year-old kid that’s just getting out of high school and they’re maybe unsure of what the next step is for them in their life.” Opportunities that they could have for discipleship. And we have an exciting opportunity within our world today. Maybe we’re thinking, “Hey, there might be a kid that would go off to Bible college and there’s discipleship that’s inherent in that. I’m thinking about other kids who might take another trajectory of maybe a trade school or something that they would have.
What are discipleship opportunities that a church can use the natural gathering of the body to strengthen up some of those young men and women that are there?
Scott, I’m going to ask you what you see maybe even in evangelism opportunities as you go around to the churches. What ways do you see that the younger generation, this next generation serving that you’re excited about?
SS: One of the things that I’m seeing a little bit more of that has been missing for a while is that we are getting pastors and leadership that are willing to give opportunity for our young people to begin to engage more in the current local ministries that they are in. So rather than having to wait till they’re 18 to begin to serve, which I think is way too late personally, they’re giving kids that might be 10 or 11 years old little opportunities. No, obviously they’re not teaching a class or running the junior church program, but they might be helping to straighten up chairs, take out trash, be a greeter at the door, all those things facilitate service. And all of those things do a major thing of impacting someone towards ministry, regardless of that might be full-time preaching ministry or not. And then I know that there have been youth pastors, even when I was a youth pastor, that there are men that are seeking to take the opportunity to get their youth group involved in being able to be a part more of the services and sometimes having a designated youth service and young men that are willing, they give them an opportunity to study, prepare, they help them out and let them give like a 10-minute challenge and so forth. And regardless of whether those young men go on into the full-time preaching ministry, you’ve at least begun to facilitate a taste about ministry.
And so investing in that way, hoping more opportunities, for our young people to begin to engage when they’re younger in the local church. I feel like the local church needs to be the primary realm of where we are facilitating ministry, other than the home. Our Christian parents need to be at the forefront of that. But in coordination with that, then our local churches facilitating more opportunities, be they very small, but to where the kids are doing more than making a decision about serving the Lord and serenading their life. They’re now getting the opportunity to invest alongside and they’re being further, you know, hopefully, through the teaching and preaching, they’re being encouraged, they’re being challenged and confronted with different areas that they see are meaningful to living in regards to serving the Lord. And then yet they’re also shown that you’re not perfect. You need to grow. But while you’re growing, you still need to be serving. And guess what? Here’s a way that you can serve.
That to me is some of the things that it’s not as widespread as what I would like to see it, but it is something that has been developing and it needs to continue to. And I think that’s gonna continue to make a huge impact on what we see as far as people being more discipled and more willing to use their lives for the Lord in different ways. Yeah, seeing it from that young age.
MT: That’s an excellent way to look at the next generation, seeing, hey, what opportunities not waiting is as long to that point. Right. To say, hey, how can I get them involved right away? Mark, I know you served as an elder for many years in your church. What were even some of those ways that you saw opportunities to involve the younger generation, to develop them, to bring them up in that discipleship?
MM: I think helping them see that they provide value. Like even a 10-year-old wants to be thought of as valuable. And, you know, that obviously starts in the family. But also within the church context, you know, if they’re ushering, that’s a value. And they’re thanked for that. Not, you know, not awkwardly built up or falsely built up, but they truly are. They’re being a help. And then I think one of the big ways I think we correct that is we’re just giving them things to do that we don’t want to do. Sure. And I think that’s like when we have an intern, yeah, go get the coffee, go dig that ditch, you know, kind of thing whenever those may be valuable things to do, but we also need to make sure that we take part of our lives and give to them. Right. So we are we are saying I want to be involved in your little life to help you grow into what God would have you do.
Maybe God will use you in something someday as a plumber, as a guy that works for Culver’s or if a guy does whatever, or, you know, he may use you to teach Sunday school or something. And, and, and as we give those responsibilities, it can create a sense of, Hey, I, I kind of, I kind of handled that, you know, at 12, I kind of taught that little Sunday school class to those kids in VBS, you know, or whatever. And that was fun. That was fun. And they get energized. They get all of a sudden now they’re passionate about, I could actually communicate something at 10 years old. You know, I think that has a lot of value and it challenges them. And it also allows you to see where to entrust more responsibility, which I think is super cool.
“we also need to make sure that we take part of our lives and give to them”
SS: I interject with that. What he said is spot on. And the thing that I was thinking of when he was talking was that as pastors, as youth pastors, as camp workers, or other parachurch ministry workers, we need to learn to disciple without an agenda. True love. True love. Right, true love, and being willing to let God direct their lives, not me being the orchestrator. You’re not going to see those results because you’ve been operating off of a pragmatic philosophy, which is too prevalent in ministry across the board. We need to see that discipleship is about investing in people’s lives so they will develop a closer walk with God and that they will want to not only, I mean you really can’t dichotomize these two, but not only do they want to live for God, they want to use their life for God. Because living for God is going to be using your life for God. One of things that we teach here on T.E.A.M. is listen, God has a purpose and a plan and a use for you right now. He wants to use your life right now. So let’s engage that. We do that. We’re going to see a difference.
“God has a purpose and a plan and a use for you right now. He wants to use your life right now. So let’s engage that. We do that. We’re going to see a difference.”
MM: I think, you know, where we hear this pessimism about the next generation, we have pastors that are like, well, I don’t have any preacher boys going to college. So, right. You guys are awful. You need to get your hearts right. All the boys just play their video games. Yeah. And really terribly unhelpful. Yes. Like because frankly, you’re trying to cram all these square pegs and round holes in the corners are getting beat to pieces. You can’t keep doing that and expect that, for one thing, it is a very high calling to be called into vocational, full-time ministry work. And we’ve kind of deadened that a little bit. Not that I’m saying that all pastors are elevated. I’m just saying it’s… It’s elevated to a different kind of life sacrifice. So it’s a different level in some sense in that way, but they’re people and there are times when more people are led to Christ in a church by the plumber guy in town than the pastor. And that’s okay. The evangelist plumber, praise God. So getting people to understand that this 50s to 90s mold of “You’ve got to do these things to be used of God” is hitting us in the backside, so to speak, that we’ve tried to cram so many people through that in a wrong way that now we’ve got a generation backing away from it going, “I don’t really want that.” You know, so then unfortunately we see them sit in a coffee shop sipping coffee and we’re like losers. When really what we should be doing is saying, “Hey, how’s it going? Let’s go get coffee together.”
“And let’s talk about how are we impacting the world in our little world here? Who do you know? Who are you playing volleyball with? Who are you hanging out with? Who are you working with?”
So that we have a chance to really share the gospel intrinsically the way it was done when Jesus and the disciples were doing. I like that. I’ll just say models must be pretty good. The Master kind of did that.
MT: Even just thinking about the whole church and generational discipleship from the top down, even thinking about the beauty of a congregation. It was Spurgeon who was asked, how did you get such a great congregation? He’s like, I didn’t do anything, the congregation begat the congregation, right? Story after story was told of somebody just having a conversation after church and leading somebody else to Christ. And even Spurgeon said as a pastor, that wasn’t me guys. That’s the Word doing its work.
And that essence of discipleship that we’re talking about, that encouragement.
Looking at this next generation, what are some unique challenges?
Maybe just historically, but right now, what are some of the struggles, maybe unique struggles? I know we have struggles in every generation, but what are some of those ones that maybe this generation is struggling with that we can be encouraged that the word meets it.
Scott, what are some things that you see as just unique difficulties that this generation is facing?
SS: Well, I think, you know, obviously the tech world has become a magnificent part. When I was a youth pastor, I didn’t have to deal with cell phones for the first few years, which I know that’s really ancient, right? But here’s the thing. That is way back. It is. Yeah, I started as a youth pastor when I was 12, but midway through my youth pastorate, cell phones started becoming more popular. They became more accessible. That began a dramatic change to having a much easier way of communication, entertainment, isolation, and so forth. And so now we have kids and of course, with the progression of our technology, I mean, you can live your entire life on a phone now, and you don’t have to interact face-to-face with people. It’s interesting that Proverbs tells us that the person that isolates themselves loses wisdom. Right. They don’t get how to make decisions about values. They don’t live the real-world life. And that’s the struggle, I think, we’re seeing. Is an erasure or a complex distortion of values. Though I think the generation, there are in the generation that would say, well, I love God and I want to do what God wants. Right. But they’re still sitting in the coffee shop.
And to heighten that part of the additional problem, which has always been a problem to some degree, it’s been that there are so many parents that, especially when you begin to come into the preteen and teen years, they begin to withdraw themselves more and more, they begin to take a little, a bit more of a hands-off approach with their kids because teen years can be very challenging, like any stage of life. And that’s how they were raised. And so, and they let their kids stay on their phones for hours and hours and hours. They let them isolate themselves. They don’t engage them. They don’t challenge them in different respects to their personal walk with God, with being involved in church, with being involved in home things in which they can serve, and they just kind of, so they kind of facilitate this fear of living that becomes very, you know, because they are granted the opportunity, but here’s the amazing thing. When we begin to invest and we are discipling them and we’re engaging their lives and they begin to invest in all the different areas of service, it’s amazing how that kind of just fades and it disappears. And we’re not trying to take away their love for having technology and so forth. We have to live by technology in this world, whether you like it or not. But what it does is it begins to help put some things in a better perspective. So those are, I mean, I think that’s one major thing. I think we could probably talk here all day about some of the other major things.
I think that one of the things you see is that isolation, again, it creates a scenario where values and judgments get distorted because they’re by themselves, but they’re not. They’re outside the church, body, and the safety that God designed in that accountability and encouragement and admonishment, the preaching of the word. Those things kind of get minimized. You may have the same amount of hours, but by the time you get done with it, that phone and all the influences and influencers, they have 10 times the amount of time or 20 times the amount of time in a given week of influence over that thinking. So I think if we were to pull to other things, other things are kind of a result of that. The way our culture teaches about finances and money gives a whole new purpose for work. It is outside of scripture and marriage and sexuality. We know that’s a train wreck.
So whenever you take, you look at Genesis and the blessing. The blessing of God was over sexuality and intimacy with your wife. It was over work and it was over eating and enjoying food and blessings of your labor. All of those are train wrecked with our culture. And we have to pull back to that. And I think that’s refreshing. When we look at what the optimism is, all this other stuff isn’t really satisfying. So ultimately, when we drive back to scripture and look at the purpose of God, that’s where I think we reach the next generation and it creates an opportunity because we are so antithetical or absolute opposites of the world now. Whereas in the 50s, 60s, and even 70s, we were still Christianized in our country enough that we were kind of integrated with all of that. That’s done. I mean, it’s done. We’re not that anymore. We have to be separate, which I think is exactly where God flourishes in reaching hearts and people.
MT: What are some of the excitement that you see for this next generation? What are things that you are encouraged about these?
MM: Well, whenever you see the train wreck, you know, whenever the guy comes to you, he’s 19 and he’s like, this phone is eating my lunch. I can’t even have a decent relationship with a girl. I can’t keep my mind right. Whenever we show him the reality of the truth of God’s Word and the hope of Christ and the freedom that you, that’s like Christ died on the cross, man, was for all this garbage. And we could be free from that. I think that gives the next generation a passion for, well, then this is what I want to live for. This is awesome. Tell me more. And again, you have to engage relationally to have the time.
And I think that’s probably one of the big frustrations for the younger generation coming up is the next generation is so busy, unfortunately, dealing with their own finances and marriage relationships and struggles, the cultural pressure they feel that they’re not doing the job with coming up people, with two captured by other things.
It’s a struggle. And I mean, as we know, I mean, inflation, you know, instead of, instead of being able to live reasonably with, you know, $40,000, now we’re talking $50,000, $60,000, which results in more time away doing and focus and there’s a lot of pressure on our culture, our biblical church culture right now on the outside.
MT: Scott, what are encouragements you’re seeing as in these opportunities for discipleship? Even just as a result of that.
SS: Well, to me, what is encouraging is that we can bring upwards of 32 kids per T.E.A.M. session and at the end of three weeks time by proper biblical teaching and preaching on servant leadership and aspects of the Christian life that intertwine with that. And by a lot of, we do a ton of personal one-on-one interaction. I do, all of my counselors do. And here’s the thing, we take kids that come, some of them very broken, some of them very indifferent and apathetic. Some of them that are, you know, they’re just kind of, they’re becoming,
They just kind of become indifferent because of there’s just no, they’ve been led to think that their life is pretty much just a hopeless thing without direction. And then when they, as we seek to invest and teach and preach, the lights become, they come on with these kids and they begin to recognize that God is not some big angry God. He’s a God that cares for them. He wants to safeguard them. He loves them. And he’s a God that he doesn’t just have a future plan for them. He has a current plan for them. And right now, and so this week, guess what? Today, God’s plan for you is that you get to serve him by doing the dishes in the dish pit. And God’s going to somehow use that to impact some kid. some way that we don’t understand how what doing dishes is going to be coordinated by God to impact to them where they end up receiving Christ as Savior, or they make a decision as a young Christian or as a Christian teenager that’s going to begin to really transform their lives. And our kids get to, they begin to realize that and they recognize what 1 Corinthians 15:58 says “our labor is not in vain in the Lord.”
And they begin to realize that I am as Ephesians 2:10 says, “I am a workmanship in Christ” that God has formed for specific purposes to accomplish for him. And that means that I can I can do this. I need to be doing this. And then as they engage and as others around them are engaging that are of similar ages, they get excited and they they get into it. And we have again, we have former counselors and other T.E.A.M. members that are in full-time preaching ministry today. We have former T.E.A.M. members and counselors that are serving faithfully in their local churches. They have regular vocational jobs, which is great. And yet they are serving God faithfully. They are excited about the Christian life. And it’s, I think the encouraging thing is that we hear again, the pessimism of kids just don’t want to do anything for God today.
No, here’s the reality. When you’re willing to invest yourself, and when you’re willing to make the sacrifice, and when you’re willing to get out of program mode in order to really, I’ve already used the word invest, but to really dig into those kids’ lives, which requires a lot of sacrifice. But when you are willing to do that, guess what? Those kids soak it up. And it impacts them. I would say that the majority of the young people that have come through T.E.A.M. over the last several years, they would tell you that when they have left, it’s completely, it’s been something that God has used. And it’s not because it’s a program, it’s because we’re showing them what true servant leadership is. And by discipling and working with them so that their lives kind of grow and change, they recognize, hey, I need to be growing and changing; not because this is what’s gonna get me in good favor with God, but because this is how God blesses and directs my life, and this is what makes me a more fit vessel for the master’s use. That changes your whole outlook. That changes your whole perspective.
“When you’re willing to invest yourself, and when you’re willing to make the sacrifice, and when you’re willing to get out of program mode in order to really, I’ve already used the word invest, but to really dig into those kids’ lives, which requires a lot of sacrifice. But when you are willing to do that, guess what? Those kids soak it up. And it impacts them.” Scott Sivnksty
MT: This has been a neat conversation to be encouraged about discipleship, to be strengthened in the equipping ministry that churches are called to and the whole body gets to be a part of this. As you men think of even just resources to give to our listeners, is there maybe a book that you would either encourage in that deception process or one that’s been in current read that you have found helpful or something that you could put forward as a suggested read for some of those marks you have?
MM: The book that comes to my mind is I’m like three-quarters of the way through it and it’s a tough chew is John Flavel’s book, Keeping the Heart. Yeah, it’s just I mean, yeah, it’s Puritan. That’s not, you know, easy to it’s true and true and true. But man, you think he didn’t even have the Internet. You have a phone to deal with the hard thing. He’s just nailing it that we have to think through. And it’s so practical. That’s what’s really weird about some of the Puritan writers is it’s just so intensely practical of the daily life of how to think through guarding what impacts your heart. That’s very good.
And I think there are a number of books out on sexual identity, sexual struggle stuff that I think good to find those books. Deepak Raju’s got a book out on Rescue Skills that I’m reading right now that it’s just some of it’s a lot of reminder. I’ve been doing this a while, but a lot of it is just it’s good fresh thinking of, you know, listen carefully, craft questions carefully, but dig deep with people. They need it. If you treat deep problems superficially, people will walk away shaking their heads. And I think that’s, if you want to talk about the pessimism, sometimes we look pessimistically because we’ve failed to draw people in. And I, because I think the generation 18 to 25, they’re looking for hope. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.
“If we give them real hope, if we really do open the scriptures and show them Jesus, they’re not just nibbling at it like a crappie, they’re sucking that down like a bass. I mean, they got it and they’re gone with it, you know, kind of a thing. I think that’s valuable.”
MT: Scott, any any book that maybe you’re reading or one that would be a great discipleship study takes take a young person to I would for personal study and read.
SS: I think Lead by Paul Tripp is a great book. Yeah, I don’t know that that’s necessarily one that you would take per se a teenager through, but it might would be a great book. It’s something that I know that I’ve even worked through with some of my counselors on T.E.A.M. and helping them to catch the idea of what discipleship, what true leadership is, is influence. If you want to just get to the bare bones, leadership is influence. One-word definition. And so with influence, you know, I think Lee just does a great book, a great job of really integrating how that looks in some very practical ways.
I think Oswald Sander’s old book on leadership, I forget the title: Spiritual Leadership. I think that is a classic work and I know these are old books, but I think that is a classic work that has so much wealth in it for the person who is seeking to invest himself in other people. And then another reference that again, you wouldn’t take a teenager through or, you know, maybe a college student through, but I think would impact how you look at how you can invest in them would be Bill Hull’s book, on The Disciple-making church. And not that you’re going to utilize everything from the book, because he even says that, but there’s a lot of great principles and things and ideas that can really help with that idea. And so that’s a little bit different angle where I’m coming from.
MM: I would add in, I just actually just saw it back there on the table, J .C. Ryle’s Thoughts for Young Men. We actually did a study guide for that and made it a missions trip focused with our boys one year, about several years. But writing out the study guide and digging into that was amazing. And then watching the guys again, that’s an old guy. I mean, this is old, this long is old, but spot on for the exact same struggles because these kids are just like the kids from the first century. I mean, they’re people. These are people and they’re there. I mean, think about it. They’re struggling through the same things we are. I mean, yeah, absolutely.
SS: I do see now here’s a good book. It just came to my mind because God is gracious. But Disciplines of a Godly Man by Kent Hughes. I think that that is a fantastic book that you can definitely take young people through. And I’ll be honest, I don’t think that you’d have to relegate that just to young men. Although there are some particular areas where, yes, it’s gonna be more poignant, but I think that even young women can be helped by a lot of those things because they’re biblical principles is what it boils down to. So that is an all-encompassing aspect there and it’s just a really good read and very, very sensible.
One question that we love to ask our guests on the podcast is a way that God is working in your personal life, whether that’s your ministry, your family, what’s something that you can just praise God for? And it’s sweet to think about that because we have to testify God is involved in our life of neat ways. Scott, what’s a way that God has been working in your life, maybe family or ministry?
Scott Sivnksty: Well, one of the things that God has used over the last little over three years is he’s changed my ministry of evangelism. We had because of some various needs of our three boys from the academic realm, we had to put them into a Christian school, which meant that either I had to pull out of evangelism entirely, which I was fine to do or else my wife who is a nurse start working full-time. And so we were praying about the decision to make.
God graciously opened the door for my wife to become a director of nursing at an assisted living center. And so what that caused though for me is I had to evaluate how am I going to carry on my ministry of evangelism. Well, so here’s what happened. I knew I could not be on the road six to nine months out of the year like I normally was. So what I have done is I have taken away of during the year, the course of the year, I have begun to cut, I have cut back pretty substantially on the number of meetings that I will take per year. Now what that has done is that has given me more time with my family for one, but what it has also done in a wonderful fashion has given me and my family the opportunity to be engaged in our home church in ways that we had never been able to before. Because when you’re on the road six to nine months out of the year, you love your church, you love being at your church, and you try to enlist, but there are things that are limiting because of that. So I get to serve.
Now, I get to serve in some specific areas that I would have never been able to do, and I absolutely love it. My wife gets to serve in some ways now at our church that she would have never been able to do beforehand. All three of my boys, have been able to get engaged in their youth group and all of them have been serving in different aspects in our local church that they would have never had the opportunity had we not had to alter kind of the direction of our ministry.
And so because of that, that has revitalized me. It just, you know how it is when you just, you get re-impassioned, right? Because of the encouragement, because of the great teaching and preaching of God’s Word, because of the regular fellowship with people that are your particular church people. So to me, that has been a huge blessing over the last three years that has just, it’s refueled me, it’s refreshed me, and I feel like it has helped my perspective significantly in the area of ministry and serving the Lord. And I’m super excited about it. I’m thrilled to be able to do it. And it excites me even more when I get to come then for the summer here at Camp Chetek and further get to invest my life into these teenagers that come in our program and then hopefully go back to their homes and their churches and their communities with what we have tried to give to them. So yeah, I absolutely am thrilled for that blessing.
MT: Praise the Lord! Mark, what’s the way that God’s working your personal life?
Mark Massey: I think as you were speaking, I wrote down the word seasons.
You know,
you have seasons of life where you do different things. You know, you may not pastor all your life. Right. You may not be the lead pastor all your life. You may not be an evangelist all your life or whatever, because God has used that season to prepare you for this next season,
which is really cool to look at it that way as opposed to burnout. I’m going to go do something else. You know, it’s really allowing God to shift your priorities in your life to what is next that He wants done. I think it’s super.
For me, I feel like I’ve been poked in the eye by God this past, you know, few months or year or so just to make sure that I’m not getting so and invest in the people at each, I call it tier, each age group that I have connection with so that I don’t, I’m not always pressured to build this, the next person that’s going to replace me or to build the next person is going to fill this hole in the ministry or something like that. That’s been good. It’s also been kind of a poke in the eye living within this culture and even the struggles of my own use of the internet, you know, like, just not wasting my life on it. And gleaning from it, its value, there is great value there. But, oh man, you can erase all of that value by wasting the time that you do have on it and that kind of thing. So that, I think, has been good.
In that process, God has kind of refocused me on the Word. And I think if I could say anything as an encouragement to everybody out there less time on the internet more time on God’s word. Yeah. It is I mean, mean, it’s good to hear all these great speakers and I, you know, I’m all for it. Really. I think it’s great. At the same time, there is nothing that will replace just read the word. And I think as we refocus on the word, what happened like right now, I’m just hitting Acts chapter 10. And in Acts chapter 10, I’m like, these people are dying. These people are being killed, they’re being beaten and imprisoned, and they love God with all their hearts, and they’re reaching their world. And I think for me that’s creating a stage of life. I’m almost an empty nester-ish working at it. I’m thinking about how does this next stage look for the all-in disciple of God?
That’s kind of where I’m being challenged. I’m excited about it. I’m scared to death in some ways and I’m tired. You know, I feel like I’m getting old. I can’t do this anymore. At the same time, it’s a new invigoration to get the resurrection power of Jesus at the forefront of thinking. And that comes through the word.
Through the word. “Let the word dwell richly” Col 3:16.
MT: Awesome. Well, thank you, men, for being on the podcast today. And I appreciate you listening in to the Central Seminary podcast. I hope it has been an encouraging conversation for you as you see and have opportunity to disciple the next generation that is in your church. So thank you for joining us and I hope you have a wonderful week.
Mark Massey has served with Victory Boys Academy since 1995, and as Director of Wild Heart Adventure Camp.
Wild Heart Adventure Camp is a Christian adventure camp devoted to teaching young men how to have a passion for God and adventure. We take two weeks to train our campers in three core areas: spirit, skills, and service. These life points provide the frame-work for our times of spiritual instruction, wilderness excursions, and team-building challenges.
Scott Sivnksty and his family are members at Community Baptist Church in Garner, NC. During the summers, Scott serves as the Director of the T.E.A.M. Program at Camp Chetek for high school sophomores-seniors.
Camp Chetek’s purpose, as a fundamental Baptist ministry, is to glorify God by using the controlled environment of Christian camping to help churches of like faith and practice fulfill the great commission to evangelize the lost and make disciples of those who believe.
If you have an idea or suggestion for future podcasts, send us a note at communications@centralseminary.edu
What Is Conservatism?
After the Second World War, three thinkers established an intellectual foundation for modern conservatism in America. The philosophical case for conservatism was articulated by Richard M. Weaver in his book Ideas Have Consequences. The link between political and economic freedom was established by Friedrich Hayek in his volume The Road to Serfdom. A comprehensive history of the development of conservative thought came from the pen of Russell Kirk in The Conservative Mind. These three authors were later joined by William F. Buckley who, in addition to providing further development of conservative ideas, established the vehicles through which these ideas were popularized. Among these were National Review, a journal of opinion, and Firing Line, a television show that appeared on the Public Broadcasting Service. Buckley also sponsored the Firing Line Debates, bringing together people from all sides of the political spectrum for reasoned conversation about the ideas and issues that divided them.
One thing that made Buckley’s work possible was that Russell Kirk had distilled a functional definition of conservatism. This definition, synthesized out of his exhaustive reading of the Western intellectual tradition, came to operate as a kind of sine qua non for American conservatism. It still does. The degree to which people are genuinely conservative can be gauged by comparing their ideas and actions to Kirk’s definition. All of us who think of ourselves as conservatives are well advised to keep Kirk’s definition in mind.
The original definition was presented in six points. In subsequent presentations, the number of points varied, but the content remained the same. The following is a paraphrase and summary of the features that Kirk, and whole generations of conservatives following him, found definitive for their movement.
First, conservatives believe in a transcendent and knowable moral order. This moral reality, which is accessible through both natural law and divine law, is reflected in the structure of the world itself. To defy this moral order is to defy reality. We cannot ultimately break it; it will break us. Political and social systems that ignore this moral order will bring disaster upon all who live under their influence.
Second, conservatives delight in the varieties of human expression that develop naturally and organically as people interact with their environment and each other. The genuine diversity of callings, perspectives, and cultures—including regional and local cultures—is something that conservatives love. They distinguish this genuine diversity, however, from the oppressive and false diversity that is enforced artificially and grows from abstract theories about the “way things ought to be.” Such false diversity results in a stultifying and suffocating uniformity of opinion and condition in which true diversity is crushed. Such false diversity results in a bland sameness that arises from the top-down imposition of the same things everywhere.
Third, conservatives embrace variations of condition as necessary to human flourishing. People differ in interests, advantages, ambition, industry, and opportunities. These differences naturally produce inequalities of condition. The fact that some people enjoy greater status, wealth, power, and privilege, while others enjoy less, does not necessarily point to injustice. A classless society is an impossibility in the real world. When classes and orders are artificially eliminated, their place is inevitably taken by oligarchies of elite theorists.
Fourth, conservatives perceive that human freedom is closely linked to the protection of property. The ability to expropriate property, especially without due process of law, implies the ability to take life. Property must be protected, not because such protections are convenient for the wealthy, but because the secure possession of property is a transcendental right. Where the right to property is not fully protected, justice can never be fully implemented.
Fifth, conservatives place considerable faith in traditions, forms, customs, and prescriptions as practical guides. They recognize that traditions can be flawed, and they do not oppose thoughtful and prudent change. They affirm, however, that traditions and customs have been worked out as practical methods of checking the worst human impulses and appetites. Consequently, conservatives distrust social, economic, and moral innovators and experimenters. Behind such innovation and experimentation, conservatives glimpse the will to power and the willingness to oppress.
Sixth, and arising out of the previous consideration, conservatives understand that change is not always helpful, and it may sometimes do irreparable damage to social, economic, and moral systems. They insist, therefore, that change should occur deliberately, prudently, and in such a way that it operates as a means of preserving what is best. Radical and rapid restructurings are seen by conservatives as social wildfires. The virtue of prudence must govern even good and necessary changes.
These are the six defining points that Kirk includes in The Conservative Mind. Later and in other places he teases out other points, the most important of which is the recognition of human limitations. Neither human beings nor human social orders are perfectible. We are so deeply flawed that none of us can be trusted with too much power. Checks and balances are indispensable, and those who amass power to build utopias will inevitably lead us into calamity.
This last principle is especially worth remembering during times of good leadership. When leaders are doing the right things, we face a temptation to loosen the checks and balances so that these leaders can do more of what is right. We must never forget, however, that good leaders will be followed by bad, sooner or later. The exercise of checks and balances under good leadership is the best preparation for their exercise under bad.
Kirk’s understanding of conservatism is as useful today as it was when he first published it. When we prepare to vote in an election, we consider many factors for each candidate. For example, we should judge the candidates’ character, competence, courage, prudence, temperance, ability to govern, and their stated positions on a variety of issues. Perhaps most importantly we should evaluate the principles to which the candidates swear allegiance. To merit enthusiastic support, any candidate should embody the principles of conservatism.
This essay is by Kevin T. Bauder, Research Professor of Historical and Systematic Theology at Central Baptist Theological Seminary. Not every one of the professors, students, or alumni of Central Seminary necessarily agrees with every opinion that it expresses.
from The Hollow Men (1925)
T. S. Eliot (1888–1965)
We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats’ feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death’s other Kingdom
Remember us—if at all—not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.
Was Patrick a Catholic?
I spent part of my childhood in a heavily Roman Catholic area near Bay City, Michigan. These Catholics were ethnic Poles, but they had no hesitation about celebrating March 17 as Saint Patrick’s Day. For that day, at least, my classmates would be festooned with shamrocks and green. To them, Patrick was a Roman Catholic.
Certain non-Catholics in our community would explain that Patrick was not really a Catholic. He represented a strain of evangelical Christianity that remained suppressed until the Protestant Reformation. Later on, I heard this assertion repeated during my preparation for ministry.
A few summers ago, I happened to be conversing with a PhD from the Center for Medieval Studies who specialized in Patrick. She insisted that Patrick was certainly Roman Catholic. She pointed out that Patrick endorsed the doctrines that were being advanced by the bishop of Rome at that time.
The key expression is at that time. What time was that? According to the best accounts, Patrick was born sometime around 390 and died around 461. Those dates place him among the church fathers. Gregory of Nazianzus died the year before Patrick was born, and Gregory of Nyssa died when Patrick was five years old. The heretic Apollinaris died in the year of Patrick’s birth. Patrick’s life overlapped with luminaries like Ambrose, Chrysostom, Jerome, Augustine, and Cyril of Alexandria. The heretic Eutyches was about ten years older than Patrick, and Patrick died in the same year as Leo the Great. He was in his sixties at the time of the Council of Chalcedon.
When Patrick was alive, the Roman Empire, though divided and weakened, had not yet fallen. Neither the Monophysite nor the Monothelite controversies had broken out. The first of the Medieval Popes, Gregory I, would not ascend to the papal chair for a century and a third. Eastern and Western Christianity would not divide for more than five hundred years. The Council of Trent would not finally define Roman Catholicism for more than a millennium.
These names and dates are significant for a reason. During the lifetime of Patrick, neither the term Catholic nor the word Roman meant what it means today. Catholic was a Greek term, καθ’ ὅλος (kath-holos), meaning according to the whole or universal. A Catholic at that time was simply someone who agreed with the orthodox consensus represented by the Councils of Nicea (325) and Constantinople (381).
These councils had articulated a biblical understanding of the relationship of Christ to God the Father. They responded to the Arian heresy, which taught that Christ was a created being, not fully God, and that there was a time when Christ did not exist. These councils insisted that Christ was truly God, fully equal to and eternal with the Father, and of one substance with Him. Because these perspectives were advanced by councils comprising Christians from everywhere that churches existed, they were called Ecumenical, and their consensus was considered Catholic or universal Christian teaching. In this sense of the term, all Bible-believing Christians are still Catholic.
During Patrick’s lifetime other disputes arose. The most serious was the Eutychian controversy. Eutychians taught that Christ’s human nature was so overwhelmed by His divine nature that it became inconsequential. It was like a drop of wine in an ocean of water. The result was a near-denial of Christ’s real humanity. The Eutychian controversy is what led to the Council of Chalcedon in 451, where church leaders wrestled to articulate a biblical understanding of the relationship of the divine to the human within Christ. They taught that Christ was one person in two natures. He was fully human and fully divine. The person, they said, must not be divided, while the natures must not be mixed or confused.
Chalcedon did not invent these teachings. Rather, the council systematized the mainstream understanding of Christians in view of biblical teaching. For this reason, the teachings of Chalcedon have also been recognized as part of genuinely Catholic teaching, and in this sense all Bible-believing Christians today are genuinely Catholic.
Patrick was certainly Catholic in this sense. Was he also Roman? One major defender of the teachings of Nicea and Constantinople was Leo the Great, who became bishop of Rome during Patrick’s lifetime. Leo was also active in calling the Council of Chalcedon. In the western Roman empire, he was a major opponent of Eutychianism. To take the Catholic view was necessarily to take the Roman view, and in this sense, Patrick clearly sympathized with Rome.
Nevertheless, Patrick was born in Scotland, west and a bit north of present-day Glasgow. His town was on (and maybe beyond) the very fringes of the Roman Imperial influence. Patrick’s father was a minor Roman official, and his grandfather was a pastor (certainly not what would be considered Roman Catholic today). Christianity in Patrick’s corner of the world was not much influenced by the concerns of the church at Rome, at least not directly.
At this point in history, the bishop of Rome did not exercise authority over most other churches. Leo tried to increase the prestige of the Roman bishop by presenting himself as an older statesman and wise counselor to younger pastors. Even so, other pastors were known to tell him to mind his own business.
Patrick was never sent out as a missionary by Rome. He did not receive church office from Rome. To this day, the Roman Catholic Church has never canonized him as a saint.
Was Patrick a Roman Catholic? The question is anachronistic. He was Catholic in the sense that he fully embraced the Catholic doctrinal consensus about Jesus Christ. He could be called Roman only in the sense that he must have felt some degree of solidarity with Leo in the doctrinal controversies of his day. He definitely was not a Roman Catholic in any modern sense—but neither was anybody else, including Leo. On the other hand, he was hardly a crypto-Protestant either. The five solas, including justification through faith alone, were not to be articulated for another millennium. Such beliefs, while present in the ancient church, remained undeveloped for centuries.
By his own testimony, Patrick was a rebellious youth who had been reared under Christian teaching. Brought low in slavery, he seems genuinely to have turned to Christ. After his escape he matured in the faith and eventually returned to his home, only to feel a burden to reach the very people who had enslaved him. He returned to Ireland and preached Christ among the pagans, many of whom responded to his preaching. For that we can thank God, and we can nourish a hope that we may likely meet Patrick among God’s people someday. He was broadly Catholic, perhaps marginally Roman, but almost certainly a saint.
This essay is by Kevin T. Bauder, Research Professor of Historical and Systematic Theology at Central Baptist Theological Seminary. Not every one of the professors, students, or alumni of Central Seminary necessarily agrees with every opinion that it expresses.
from The Shield of St. Patrick
Patrick (c. 390–461)
I bind to myself to-day,
The strong power of the invocation of the Trinity:
The faith of the Trinity in the Unity
The Creator of the elements.
Christ, protect me today
Against poison, against burning,
Against drowning, against wound,
That I may receive abundant reward.
Christ with me, Christ before me,
Christ behind me, Christ within me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me,
Christ at my right, Christ at my left,
Christ where I lie down,
Christ where I sit,
Christ where I stand.
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